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Post by Ed » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:31 pm

With very few changes in the regulations (apart from the tyres), I expect the cars to be even more reliable this year with Renault and Ferrari leading the pack in those terms.

Of course there will always be a team or two who will go radical hoping to make a massive leap and end up failing miserably.

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Post by Julian Mayo » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:47 pm

I agree, yis that the heat n humidity seem to catch a couple of teams out every year.
It may be something to do with insufficient tolerance in the cylinder heads in relationship (and I am a bit rusty here) to the Enthalpy of Combustion..(kJmol-1) and the combustion point.
With Pentane
Hexane
Dexane
Nonane
Heptane
and Octane all having a Hydrogen component between 12 and 22, "heavy" air (H2O)
tends to lean out the mixture at flashpoint, by upsetting the hydrocarbon balance. V8s hate that.
I Run Therapy with timing 6deg advanced to ensure she never leans out.
Thats my theory anyway :lol:
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Post by F1greyhound » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:11 am

Fascinating :shock:
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Post by <T-K> » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:27 am

Unbelievable :shock:

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Post by Southernman » Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:07 am

I'm waiting for the english language version. :?:

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Post by GhoGho » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:38 am

Now I am convinced............
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Post by Ed » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:00 am

Julian, here are the fuel characteristics of the fuel permitted in F1:

Property.....................Units..........Min.......Max..........Test Method
RON.............................................95.0.....102.0.........ASTM D 2699-86
MON.............................................85.0......................ASTM D 2700-86
Oxygen......................%m/m...................2.7.............Elemental Analysis
Nitrogen.....................%m/m...................500............ASTM D 4629
Benzene.....................%v/v.....................1.0............EN 238
RVP............................hPa............450......600...........ASTM D 323
Lead...........................g/l.........................0.005........ASTM D 3237
Density at 15°C...........kg/m³.......720.0...775.0........ASTM D 4052
Oxidation stability........minutes....360......................ASTM D 525
Existent gum...............mg/100ml...............5.0..........EN 26246
Sulphur.......................mg/kg....................10............ASTM D 5453
Copper corrosion.........rating....................C1............ISO 2160
Electrical Conductivity..pS/m..........200......................ASTM D 2624

and the only oxygenates permitted are:
Methanol (MeOH)
Ethanol (EtOH)
Iso-propyl alcohol (IPA)
Iso-butyl alcohol (IBA)
Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE)
Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (ETBE)
Tertiary Amyl Methyl Ether (TAME)
Di-Isopropyl Ether (DIPE)
n-Propyl alcohol (NPA)
Tertiary Butyl Alcohol (TBA)
n-Butyl Alcohol (NBA)
Secondary Butyl Alcohol (SBA)

And no I don't have a degree in Chemistry :shock: :shock:

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Post by Julian Mayo » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:14 am

Ed wrote:Julian, here are the fuel characteristics of the fuel permitted in F1:

Property.....................Units..........Min.......Max..........Test Method
RON.............................................95.0.....102.0.........ASTM D 2699-86
MON.............................................85.0......................ASTM D 2700-86
Oxygen......................%m/m...................2.7.............Elemental Analysis
Nitrogen.....................%m/m...................500............ASTM D 4629
Benzene.....................%v/v.....................1.0............EN 238
RVP............................hPa............450......600...........ASTM D 323
Lead...........................g/l.........................0.005........ASTM D 3237
Density at 15°C...........kg/m³.......720.0...775.0........ASTM D 4052
Oxidation stability........minutes....360......................ASTM D 525
Existent gum...............mg/100ml...............5.0..........EN 26246
Sulphur.......................mg/kg....................10............ASTM D 5453
Copper corrosion.........rating....................C1............ISO 2160
Electrical Conductivity..pS/m..........200......................ASTM D 2624

and the only oxygenates permitted are:
Methanol (MeOH)
Ethanol (EtOH)
Iso-propyl alcohol (IPA)
Iso-butyl alcohol (IBA)
Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE)
Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (ETBE)
Tertiary Amyl Methyl Ether (TAME)
Di-Isopropyl Ether (DIPE)
n-Propyl alcohol (NPA)
Tertiary Butyl Alcohol (TBA)
n-Butyl Alcohol (NBA)
Secondary Butyl Alcohol (SBA)

And no I don't have a degree in Chemistry :shock: :shock:
Ahah, that supports my theory.
With a max of 2.7 oxygen at 15deg C,
and all that alcohol, leaning out is almost assured in high temp, high humidity conditions. The F1 Idiots Bar is a prime example of this, under those conditions 8)
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Post by jacfan » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:02 pm

Southernman wrote:I'm waiting for the english language version. :?:
I think I will wait for the movie version :shock: :oops:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:11 pm

jacfan wrote:
Southernman wrote:I'm waiting for the english language version. :?:
I think I will wait for the movie version :shock: :oops:
Private screening? 8)
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Post by jacfan » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:29 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote:
Southernman wrote:I'm waiting for the english language version. :?:
I think I will wait for the movie version :shock: :oops:
Private screening? 8)
That would be nice..... Can you arrange that??? Bring Champagne... strawberries and interpreter. A few flowers would be nice too. :ta: :thankyou: :woohoo: :friends: :friends: :friends: :woohoo:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:33 pm

jacfan wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote:I think I will wait for the movie version :shock: :oops:
Private screening? 8)
That would be nice..... Can you arrange that??? Bring Champagne... strawberries and interpreter. A few flowers would be nice too. :ta: :thankyou: :woohoo: :friends: :friends: :friends: :woohoo:
I am sure I can translate 8)
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Post by jacfan » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:35 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote: Private screening? 8)
That would be nice..... Can you arrange that??? Bring Champagne... strawberries and interpreter. A few flowers would be nice too. :ta: :thankyou: :woohoo: :friends: :friends: :friends: :woohoo:
I am sure I can translate 8)
:ladysman: :ladysman: :ladysman: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:37 pm

jacfan wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote:That would be nice..... Can you arrange that??? Bring Champagne... strawberries and interpreter. A few flowers would be nice too. :ta: :thankyou: :woohoo: :friends: :friends: :friends: :woohoo:
I am sure I can translate 8)
:ladysman: :ladysman: :ladysman: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Your sister too ???? :shock:
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Post by jacfan » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:39 pm

Sorry ... no sisters.
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