Thoughts on the United States Grand Prix

Bundy · Post by **Bundy** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:43 pm

but if he is racing for points he is at least chasing 1 or 2 or possibly a few more so he will need to finish the race. he at least has something to lose. if he's not racing for points he has nothing to lose.

i'm sure he'd rather lose 8 points to MS rather than 10. it could make all the difference at the end of the year.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:09 pm

jnc wrote:
K-D wrote: flying in tires would have set a bad presedent.
Actually, Michelin *did* fly tires in - but when they tested them, they had the same problem. So there was no solution there.

K-D wrote: I place all!! the blamce on Michelin, 2 weeks ago their design concept cost Kimi R?ikk?nnen a win
I thought that what happened there was that Kimi badly flat-spotted it, and the vibration (over time) destroyed the suspension. I seem to recall that when the corner came off, the tire was intact, no?

as I recall it, yes

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:16 pm

bundy wrote: i'm sure he'd rather lose 8 points to MS rather than 10. it could make all the difference at the end of the year.

hmmm.... you aren't serious

Assuming nothing dramatic happens next Wednesday, McLaren and Renault will be ahead of the rest in the coming races.

Ferrari have no chance unless the FIA helps them on Wednesday.

Memories of 2003 and we thought we had an exciting season

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:21 pm

Graham Ross wrote:
bundy wrote: i'm sure he'd rather lose 8 points to MS rather than 10. it could make all the difference at the end of the year.
hmmm.... you aren't serious

Assuming nothing dramatic happens next Wednesday, McLaren and Renault will be ahead of the rest in the coming races.

Ferrari have no chance unless the FIA helps them on Wednesday.

Memories of 2003 and we thought we had an exciting season

I am not game enough, or trusting enough, to make that assumption. There has been proven bias, or at the very least sheer incompetence to administer the sport in the past, and the same people are still there

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:25 pm

The more I read about this the more I think Michelin and their teams did the right thing and minimised the damage to their reputation.

Only thing they did wrong (after the fact that their tyres were stuffed) was that they didn't officially pull out.

The FIA wanted to make a mockery of them, the options offered:

- Slow down on turn 13 and we'll help you penalise your drivers if they were caught speeding. Imagine the joke of Montoya, Alonso, Raikkonen being brought in every second lap for a drive-thru!!
Let alone the safety concerns, one car lifts going in, the other was planning to lift a few meters later, bang!! They take the corner flat!!!

- Go through the pit lane

What for 73 times ? Not sure if the cars can handle that actually, they are certainly not designed for such. Besides, imagine the embarassment for Mercedes, BMW, Renault, Toyota and Honda with images beamed all over the world with their cars going through the pit lane 73 times, why because they can't go fast enough!!

Clearly the FIA wanted to make a joke of them, Michelin took full responsibilty and avoided their teams further embarassment.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:26 pm

Graham Ross wrote: Assuming nothing dramatic happens next Wednesday, McLaren and Renault will be ahead of the rest in the coming races.

I hope there is no penalty for the teams,only compensation for the fans who've paid a lots load of money to watch the race.
Graham,i feel next few races would lead to the outcome of the championship.As they are all power circuits,i've my doubts on Renault & also from now on Michelins will be a little conservative to make sure their tyres last the distance.

Memories of 2003 and we thought we had an exciting season

Even that year Michelin screwed up & the tide change.

Come what may,i hope both championship is decided in China,cos i'm going there

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:33 pm

Kapel wrote: I hope there is no penalty for the teams,only compensation for the fans who've paid a lots load of money to watch the race.
Graham,i feel next few races would lead to the outcome of the championship.As they are all power circuits,i've my doubts on Renault & also from now on Michelins will be a little conservative to make sure their tyres last the distance.

Kapel what was Canada ? I thought Alonso gave away 10 points there. Pity Montoya was stuffed there

Kapel wrote: Even that year Michelin screwed up & the tide change.

Come what may,i hope both championship is decided in China,cos i'm going there

Michelin interpretted a vague rule. The FIA after a complaint from Bridgestone changed/clarified the rule. If they screwed up the FIA would have stripped them of their points up until then.

The championship maybe decided in China between McLaren and Renault.

Ferrari could win it though if they are helped next Wednesday. Sorry I am repeating cause I think it is very possible it could happen.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:41 pm

Graham Ross wrote:The more I read about this the more I think Michelin and their teams did the right thing and minimised the damage to their reputation.

Only thing they did wrong (after the fact that their tyres were stuffed) was that they didn't officially pull out.

The FIA wanted to make a mockery of them, the options offered:

- Slow down on turn 13 and we'll help you penalise your drivers if they were caught speeding. Imagine the joke of Montoya, Alonso, Raikkonen being brought in every second lap for a drive-thru!!
Let alone the safety concerns, one car lifts going in, the other was planning to lift a few meters later, bang!! They take the corner flat!!!

- Go through the pit lane What for 73 times ? Not sure if the cars can handle that actually, they are certainly not designed for such. Besides, imagine the embarassment for Mercedes, BMW, Renault, Toyota and Honda with images beamed all over the world with their cars going through the pit lane 73 times, why because they can't go fast enough!!

Clearly the FIA wanted to make a joke of them, Michelin took full responsibilty and avoided their teams further embarassment.

I agree here with you that Michelin did the right thing by admitting their fault & asking thier team not to race for safety reasons.
But again they didnt do it officially,this is their 2nd mistake.

Solutions offered by FIA were crap,which i think Mosely knew would be rejected.
I now believe,after reading Stoddart statement,that it was a battle between the 7 teams & Max Mosely & none of them wanted to give-in to the other.
Yes Michelin started it,but no one there was in a position to compromise for the sake of the 120,000 fans.
NOT one team was ready to give an advantage to the other or when they thought of it,the FIA interfered(but i still think it would have been more risky if Michelin drivers were not alloted points against bridgestone.)

Hope things dont mess up on 29th & returns back to normal racing.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:47 pm

Graham Ross wrote: Kapel what was Canada ? I thought Alonso gave away 10 points there.
He made a mistake ,so i'll blame him unlike kimi at the Ring .

Pity Montoya was stuffed there

Yes it was his victory

The championship maybe decided in China between McLaren and Renault.

I dont think so Graham.Mclaren have 2 very good drivers who would score more consistent points then Renaults.Fisi rgt now is mindf#$%$#^ ,after what Flavio said abt him getting paid to drive n not getting pissed off.

Ferrari could win it though if they are helped next Wednesday. Sorry I am repeating cause I think it is very possible it could happen

I just hope there is no severe penalty to the teams.N i hope i can fill in my footer with the 3rd team & driver

Fairly

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:15 pm

Following Paul Stoddart's personal account of the event, the FIA have released a statement by FIA President Max Mosley giving his view on the event.
(Note it is in a Q & A format however this wasn't a press conference. i.e the questions were prepared/asked by the FIA)

Click here for the full statement

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:53 pm

By the sound of it looks like he's drafted these questions & answers to potray himself as the Messiah of F1 & no the Destroyer

Lets see how fair he's to the teams on the 29th

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:57 pm

Kapel wrote:By the sound of it looks like he's drafted these questions & answers to potray himself as the Messiah of F1 & no the Destroyer

Lets see how fair he's to the teams on the 29th

Fair? He is a lawyer

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:45 pm

What is this LEXWORTH??

Toyota joined hands wth Cosworth???

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:21 pm

Kapel wrote:What is this LEXWORTH??

Toyota joined hands wth Cosworth???

Yep? Only guessing!!!!!

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:15 pm

What about a Williams-Ferrari

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