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mlittle wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:Just a thought...................wonder if Whitmarsh thinks the McLaren will perform better with the '08 spec cosworth in the back.....................

A McLaren-Cosworth..........consdering that their 2009 car drives like a proverbial pig at the moment, that might help...........or they could just go 11/10th's each race and see what happens............

well McLaren have the same engine Brawn GP so that is not the problem - what is one major issue is that McLaren and few other teams had designed their chaise to support the Kers .. so the extra weight the center of gravity were modeled around that, suffice to say that the rules were not very clear, as they never are thanks to Max Mosley. thats why the McLaren is a lump of s#$% atm.. but im glad Hamilton is learning his lesson and his head will hopefully shrink back down to its proper size, since he will learn that many drivers are just as good as he is..

Maksutov wrote:

mlittle wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:Just a thought...................wonder if Whitmarsh thinks the McLaren will perform better with the '08 spec cosworth in the back.....................

A McLaren-Cosworth..........considering that their 2009 car drives like a proverbial pig at the moment, that might help...........or they could just go 11/10th's each race and see what happens............

well McLaren have the same engine Brawn GP so that is not the problem - what is one major issue is that McLaren and few other teams had designed their chaise to support the Kers .. so the extra weight the center of gravity were modeled around that, suffice to say that the rules were not very clear, as they never are thanks to Max Mosley. thats why the McLaren is a lump of s#$% atm.. but im glad Hamilton is learning his lesson and his head will hopefully shrink back down to its proper size, since he will learn that many drivers are just as good as he is..

Agreed.

Julian Mayo wrote:Where is that guy with the death ray.

hahaha..

Maksutov wrote:

mlittle wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:Just a thought...................wonder if Whitmarsh thinks the McLaren will perform better with the '08 spec cosworth in the back.....................

A McLaren-Cosworth..........consdering that their 2009 car drives like a proverbial pig at the moment, that might help...........or they could just go 11/10th's each race and see what happens............

well McLaren have the same engine Brawn GP so that is not the problem - what is one major issue is that McLaren and few other teams had designed their chaise to support the Kers .. so the extra weight the center of gravity were modeled around that, suffice to say that the rules were not very clear, as they never are thanks to Max Mosley. thats why the McLaren is a lump of s#$% atm.. but im glad Hamilton is learning his lesson and his head will hopefully shrink back down to its proper size, since he will learn that many drivers are just as good as he is..

I Concur

Maksutov wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:Where is that guy with the death ray.

hahaha..

Stop laughing and get to work...........

Julian Mayo wrote:

Maksutov wrote:

mlittle wrote:

A McLaren-Cosworth..........consdering that their 2009 car drives like a proverbial pig at the moment, that might help...........or they could just go 11/10th's each race and see what happens............

well McLaren have the same engine Brawn GP so that is not the problem - what is one major issue is that McLaren and few other teams had designed their chaise to support the Kers .. so the extra weight the center of gravity were modeled around that, suffice to say that the rules were not very clear, as they never are thanks to Max Mosley. thats why the McLaren is a lump of s#$% atm.. but im glad Hamilton is learning his lesson and his head will hopefully shrink back down to its proper size, since he will learn that many drivers are just as good as he is..

I Concur

And I concur with your concurrence.............

mlittle wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

Maksutov wrote:
well McLaren have the same engine Brawn GP so that is not the problem - what is one major issue is that McLaren and few other teams had designed their chaise to support the Kers .. so the extra weight the center of gravity were modeled around that, suffice to say that the rules were not very clear, as they never are thanks to Max Mosley. thats why the McLaren is a lump of s#$% atm.. but im glad Hamilton is learning his lesson and his head will hopefully shrink back down to its proper size, since he will learn that many drivers are just as good as he is..

I Concur

And I concur with your concurrence.............

And I agree with your concurrent concurrence...............

Julian Mayo wrote:

mlittle wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:
I Concur

And I concur with your concurrence.............

And I agree with your concurrent concurrence...............

Now if maksutov could get us that death ray.........we could use it to take out both Sado-Max and the Dwarf along with Tony George......then the three of us could run Formula 1 our way rather than Sado-Max's way........

FOTA released the following press statement

In response to the erroneous statement made today by FIA, the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) wishes to underline that the entries of all its members - excluding the temporarily suspended Force India and Williams - have been submitted to the FIA as conditional entries.

The entries to the 2010 FIA F1 Championship submitted by BMW-Sauber, BrawnGP, Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull Racing, Renault, Toro Rosso and Toyota were based upon conditions that have still yet to be met.

FOTA will continue to act constructively on resolving differences with the FIA. Regrettably FOTA is being forced to outline in detail our objections to the new arbitrary FIA proposals and we will release details of our concerns in the near future which will constructively explain why the FIA's proposals are bad for the future of Formula One, the jobs of those employed within the motor-racing industry and especially the millions of loyal fans who are dismayed and confused at the internal bickering within our sport.

FOTA reaffirms the unity and strength of its members, welcomes the three new F1 entrants announced today and remains committed to work with all the bodies of the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile to resolve our differences.

If you include "The Cockroach", we could have some fun with V8Supercars, too.

The European Automobile Manufacturer's Association supported FOTA and has called for a change in the way Formula 1 is goverened.

And for the first time in this crisis, there are calls for setting up a rival series.

ACEA press release

ACEA members support changes in governance of Formula One

Brussels, 12/06/2009 - Today, the members of the Board of the European Automobile Manufacturer’s Association discussed the current situation prevailing in Formula One, and have concluded that the current governance system cannot continue.

ACEA has come to the conclusion that the FIA needs a modernised and transparent governance system and processes, including the revision of its constitution, to ensure the voice of its members, worldwide motorsport competitors and motorists are properly reflected.

The ACEA members support the activities and objectives of the Formula One Teams Association to establish stable governance, clear and transparent rules which are common to all competitors to achieve cost reductions including a proper attribution of revenues to the F1 teams, in order to deliver a sustainable attractive sport for the worldwide public.

Unless these objectives are met, the BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault and Toyota along with the other teams are determined to find an alternative way to practice this sport in a manner which provides clarity, certainty of rules and administration, and a fair allocation of revenues to the competing teams.
About ACEA

The European automotive industry is key to the strength and competitiveness of Europe. The ACEA members are BMW Group, DAF Trucks, Daimler, FIAT Group, Ford of Europe, General Motors Europe, Jaguar Land Rover, MAN Nutzfahrzeuge, Porsche, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Renault, Scania, Toyota Motor Europe, Volkswagen and Volvo. They provide direct employment to more than 2.3 million people and indirectly support another 10 million jobs. Annually, ACEA members invest €20 billion in R&D, or 4% of turnover.

But they are all wrong, no matter how many Billions they make, no matter how successful their companies are........cos Mad Max said so.

Ed wrote:The European Automobile Manufacturer's Association supported FOTA and has called for a change in the way Formula 1 is goverened.

And for the first time in this crisis, there are calls for setting up a rival series.

ACEA press release

ACEA members support changes in governance of Formula One

Brussels, 12/06/2009 - Today, the members of the Board of the European Automobile Manufacturer’s Association discussed the current situation prevailing in Formula One, and have concluded that the current governance system cannot continue.

ACEA has come to the conclusion that the FIA needs a modernised and transparent governance system and processes, including the revision of its constitution, to ensure the voice of its members, worldwide motorsport competitors and motorists are properly reflected.

The ACEA members support the activities and objectives of the Formula One Teams Association to establish stable governance, clear and transparent rules which are common to all competitors to achieve cost reductions including a proper attribution of revenues to the F1 teams, in order to deliver a sustainable attractive sport for the worldwide public.

Unless these objectives are met, the BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault and Toyota along with the other teams are determined to find an alternative way to practice this sport in a manner which provides clarity, certainty of rules and administration, and a fair allocation of revenues to the competing teams.
About ACEA

The European automotive industry is key to the strength and competitiveness of Europe. The ACEA members are BMW Group, DAF Trucks, Daimler, FIAT Group, Ford of Europe, General Motors Europe, Jaguar Land Rover, MAN Nutzfahrzeuge, Porsche, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Renault, Scania, Toyota Motor Europe, Volkswagen and Volvo. They provide direct employment to more than 2.3 million people and indirectly support another 10 million jobs. Annually, ACEA members invest €20 billion in R&D, or 4% of turnover.

I hope that ACEA can make an impact, if not directly then perhaps indirectly by placing pressures on other manufacturers, if this happens FIA will have no choice but to yield, fix its system and the way it governs the sport. After all FIA is nothing without the manufacturers. The game of ignorance towards its members, and as quoted above "worldwide motorsport competitors and motorists" has to stop.

Just one thing, it's Mad Max they are dealing with.

Here's an interesting thought as to where certain manufacturers are possibly thinking of heading off to............

Take a guess as to who waved the starting flag for this year's 24 Hours of LeMans...........it wasn't McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh, Mercedes' Norbert Haug, nor BMW's Mario Theissen or even Toyota's John Howett......no, it was Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo who waved the starting flag.


FWIW, it might be fun to see the Scuderia in endurance racing; at least I'll know who not to root for each race..........