Pre-2007 Season Testing

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:07 pm

Thanks for keeping us all up to date.

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:20 am

Wednesday's testing results from Jerez...........(according to speedtv.com)

1}H. Kovalainen, Renault, 1:19.467(112 laps)
2}L. Badoer, Ferrari, 1:19.901(78 laps)
3}C. Klien, Honda, 1:20.005(122 laps)
4}J. Rossiter, Honda, 1:20.016(97 laps)
5}G. Fisichella, Renault, 1:20.104(100 laps)
6}P. de la Rosa, McLaren, 1:20.125(110 laps)
7}F. Massa, Ferrari, 1:20.160(74 laps)
8}N. Heidfeld, BMW-Sauber, 1:20.209(83 laps)
9}J. Trulli, Toyota, 1:20.244(93 laps)
10}F. Montagny, Toyota, 1:20.493(54 laps)
11}G. Paffett, McLaren, 1:20.541(88 laps)
12}S. Vettel, BMW-Sauber, 1:20.575(94 laps)
13}K. Nakajima, Williams, 1:20.859(95 laps)
14}T. Sato, Super Aguri, 1:20.977(121 laps)
15}R. Ammermuller, Red Bull, 1:21.371(91 laps)
16}V. Liuzzi, Toro Rosso, 1:21.843(65 laps)
17}S. Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 1:22.521(80 laps)

Here is the article if anyone wants to look.

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:11 pm

Thanks mlittle for the update.

Pretty good time from Bourdais given that this is his first time in F1.

The tests in Jerez seem to indicate that the new teams on Bridgestone tyres are pretty much on par with the older teams.

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:05 am

1st}P. de la Rosa, McLaren, 1:19.109(75 laps)
2nd}J. Trulli, Toyota, 1:19.480(92 laps)
3rd}J. Rossiter, Honda, 1:19.549(117 laps)
4th}L. Hamilton, McLaren, 1:19.589(78 laps)
5th}C. Klien, Honda, 1:19.705(112 laps)
6th}F. Massa, Ferrari, 1:19.730(80 laps)
7th}L. Badoer, Ferrari, 1:19.780(76 laps)
8th}H. Kovalinen, Renault, 1:19.824(110 laps)
9th}N. Heidfeld, BMW-Sauber, 1:19.933(121 laps)
10th}G. Fisichella, Renault, 1:20.073(68 laps)
11th}R. Kubica, BMW-Sauber, 1:20.194(100 laps)
12th}O. Panis, Toyota, 1:20.400(27 laps)
13th}K. Nakajima, Williams, 1:20.440(95 laps)
14th}T. Sato, Super Aguri, 1:20.726(114 laps)
15th}R. Ammermuller, Red Bull, 1:20.737(61 laps)
16th}S. Speed, Toro Rosso, 1:21.514(61 laps)
17th}S. Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 1:21.539(78 laps)

Results according to speedtv.com; here is the article link.

note 1.........the article says 20 drivers took part in Thursday's tests, yet only 18 are listed....

note 2.........according to paddocktalk.com, the order matches speedtv.com's until Ammermuller, then the order becomes....
16th}V. Liuzzi, Toro Rosso, 1:21.508
17th}S. Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 1:21.514
18th}K. Hirate, Toyota, 1:22.028
19th}S. Speed, Toro Rosso, 1:22.435
note 3.........for some reason, the times from the speedtv and paddocktalk lists are off on the order of thousandths' of a second(why, I'm not quite sure.....)

Ed · Post by Ed » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:38 pm

News just in!

Renault have allowed Fernando Alonso to test for McLaren for 1 day.

Flavio Briatore said:

Fernando asked me to test one day with his new team to acclimatize himself to the car. We enjoy a very good relationship and considering his work and his fabulous achievements these past two years with the double world titles in 2005 and 2006, we decided to give him this opportunity.

Fernando Alonso said:

I have a strong relationship with the Renault F1 Team and I would like to thank Flavio and Renault to have agreed to my request to test one day with my new team.

Ed · Post by Ed » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:51 pm

The difference in times mlittle is due to different sources. Teams have their own timers and each reports times that are slightly different. In addition a team may end their test early and so their times could be very inaccurate.

What happened yesterday at Jerez was that Scott Speed had a crash and the team asked Liuzzi to take over.

So from 16th the order, times and laps are:
16 - V. Liuzzi (Toro Rosso) 1.21.514 (40)
17 - S. Bourdais (Toro Rosso) 1.21.539 (78 )
18 - K. Hirate (Toyota) 1.22.031 (31)
19 - S. Speed (Toro Rosso) 1.22.455 (21)

The times for Jerez are available from the Jerez circuit website.
We consider them to be the most accurate.

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:47 pm

note.....times courtesy of Jerez circuit site; times also posted on both autoracing1.com and speedtv.com sites

1st}L. Hamilton, McLaren, 1:19.493(100 laps)
2nd}H. Kovalainen, Renault, 1:19.586(92 laps)
3rd}F. Alonso, McLaren, 1:19.750(95 laps)*
4th}G. Fisichella, Renault, 1:19.798(100 laps)
5th}C. Klien, Honda, 1:19.835(121 laps)
6th}R. Kubica, BMW-Sauber, 1:19.894(125 laps)
7th}L. Badoer, Ferrari, 1:19.899(38 laps)
8th}S. Vettel, BMW-Sauber, 1:20.069(117 laps)
9th}V. Liuzzi, Toro Rosso, 1:20.191(72 laps)**
10th}T. Sato, Super Aguri, 1:20.854(104 laps)
11th}M. Gene, Ferrari, 1:21.015(98 laps)
12th}S. Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 1:21.277(100 laps)
13th}A. Wurz, Williams, 1:21.368(64 laps)
14th}M. Andretti, Honda, 1:21.888(67 laps)
15th}S. Speed, Toro Rosso, 1:23.315(14 laps)

*--2 notes of interest:1-Alonso drove for the first time for McLaren today, driving, according to reports, a sponsor-free McLaren and sporting an all-white, sponsor-free driving suit ; 2-both ar1.com and speedtv.com have Alonso's times listed but Jerez doesn't......their explanation, as posted on the circuit's website.....

Fernando Alonso does not appear in the testing results for the day because his car has not the timing transponders

Then why is he listed elsewhere?

**--according to Jerez, V. Liuzzi is listed as having tested for Toro Rosso yet both ar1 and speedtv have him listed as having tested for Red Bull today

Ed · Post by Ed » Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:34 am

Thanks again for the updates mlittle. I have been more busier than usual over the last few days.

Explaining the times:

The times you've listed are what the Jerez circuit published except for Alonso. The time you have posted for Alonso is what the Honda team has reported. McLaren have reported him in 3rd with a best time of 1:19.747, Williams report him also in 3rd with a 1:19.745 (Williams have Kovalainen as fastest with a 1:19.106!!) while Renault have Alonso in 5th with a best time of 1:19.866.

Which one is the correct one ? Don't know but they are all pretty close but I think a more intersting statistic is the time Alonso set is very competitive given that it was his first day in the McLaren and on Bridgestone tyres. Pity we don't have access to lap by lap times

As for Liuzzi, he was indeed on loan to Red Bull and the Jerez site incorrectly reported him as driving the Toro Rosso.

The time Speed set was indeed very slow however he only drove for 15 laps as his hand was hurting him from the previous day's crash (the team state that the crash was due to a mechanical failure).

Team and driver quotes from the Jerez test will be available shortly.

Ed · Post by Ed » Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:38 am

Quickest times by team over the 3 days:

McLaren
Day 1 - 1:20.125 (de la Rosa), Day 2 - 1:19.109 (de la Rosa), Day 3 - 1:19.493 (Hamilton)

Renault
Day 1 - 1:19.467 (Kovalainen), Day 2 - 1:19.824 (Kovalainen), Day 3 - 1:19.586 (Kovalainen)

Toyota (The team started testing a day earlier and finished a day earlier)
Day 1 - 1:20.073 (Montagny), Day 2 - 1:20.244 (Trulli), Day 3 - 1:19.480 (Trulli)

Honda
Day 1 - 1:20.005 (Klien), Day 2 - 1:19.549 (Rossiter), Day 3 - 1:19.835 (Rossiter)

Ferrari
Day 1 - 1:19.901 (Badoer), Day 2 - 1:19.730 (Massa), Day 3 - 1:19.899 (Badoer)

BMW Sauber
Day 1 - 1:20.209 (Heidfeld), Day 2 - 1:19.933 (Heidfeld), Day 3 - 1:19.894 (Kubica)

Red Bull
Day 1 - 1:21.371 (Ammermueller), Day 2 - 1:20.737 (Ammermueller), Day 3 - 1:20.191 (Liuzzi - on loan from Toro Rosso)

Williams
Day 1 - 1:20.859 (Nakajima), Day 2 - 1:20.440 (Nakajima), Day 3 - 1:21.368 (Wurz)

Super Aguri
Day 1 - 1:20.977 (Sato), Day 2 - 1:20.726 (Sato), Day 3 - 1:20.854 (Sato)

Toro Rosso
Day 1 - 1:21.843 (Liuzzi), Day 2 - 1:21.514 (Liuzzi), Day 3 - 1:21.277 (Bourdais)

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:36 am

It is fun to see the testing going on. However it has been demonstrated in the past that these times really mean very close to nothing.

One tries, the other doesnt. One car is fuelled up, the other isnt. One`s on fresh tyres, the other isnt. And so on.....

Even during a GP weekend the free practise times can be totally different to Qualifying and Race pace, so I wouldnt rave about pre-season test sessions in general. Ok, its fine if a car is up to speed immediately and if a reasonable degree of reliability is demonstrated but other than that....

I think the cars will move closer together for the next seson due to the freezed engines and the comparatively hard compound of tyre. Heres hoping....

Ed · Post by Ed » Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:46 am

Agree with what you say F1greyhound but I think with the lack of racing, we sort of start following what is happening in testing more closely.
Having said that, testing does give us an indication of whether a car is fast or slow and if it is reliable or not.

I think that we are all hoping for closer racing next season but as the regulations haven't changed much, we won't see much change in the area of overtaking.
We could however see a few teams fighting at the top (More than 3 would be very surprising though!)

Good to see you back

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:38 am

F1greyhound wrote:It is fun to see the testing going on. However it has been demonstrated in the past that these times really mean very close to nothing.

One tries, the other doesnt. One car is fuelled up, the other isnt. One`s on fresh tyres, the other isnt. And so on.....

Even during a GP weekend the free practise times can be totally different to Qualifying and Race pace, so I wouldnt rave about pre-season test sessions in general. Ok, its fine if a car is up to speed immediately and if a reasonable degree of reliability is demonstrated but other than that....

I think the cars will move closer together for the next seson due to the freezed engines and the comparatively hard compound of tyre. Heres hoping....

The other thing to remember is that the cars are also still basicaly last years cars!

Yes they do have development bits 'n pieces on, but basically they are just being used as test beds for next years gearbox/suspension/whatever. By January some of the bits or pieces could be completely different again.

Lets hope the designers of the less competitive teams this year can sort out some really good new designs early on so we can have closer racing in '07.

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:45 am

Thats also right, makes the test times even more irrelevant...

Anyway merry xmas and a happy new year to all of you

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:54 am

Ed wrote:Agree with what you say F1greyhound but I think with the lack of racing, we sort of start following what is happening in testing more closely.

Getting withdrawal symptoms badly

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:51 pm

so when are the next tests before Melbourne?

Thanks for info

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