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Julian Mayo wrote:

gkaytaz wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:On a more sombre note I have never been able to shake from my mind the TV pictures of the crash that claimed Giles

Senna's crash has the same effect on me...

That I try not to think of. I was a fan of Ratzzy,.......that was friday.
Then the unthinkable.
Then the memory of someone doing a victory dance at race end.
Unspeakable.

Totally unacceptable and in very poor taste. I nearly stopped watching F1 after that weekend.

gkaytaz wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

gkaytaz wrote: Senna's crash has the same effect on me...

That I try not to think of. I was a fan of Ratzzy,.......that was friday.
Then the unthinkable.
Then the memory of someone doing a victory dance at race end.
Unspeakable.

Yeah that weekend was really sad. Funny but all these years I have never actually seen the end of the 94 San Marino GP. A victory dance after a race that claimed two lives is unacceptable

I, and at least one other who posts here saw the pumped arms etc. I watched in disbelief, then anger, then scorn, then disgust. I have never watched that person stand on the top step of the podium since that day

jacfan wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

gkaytaz wrote:
Senna's crash has the same effect on me...

That I try not to think of. I was a fan of Ratzzy,.......that was friday.
Then the unthinkable.
Then the memory of someone doing a victory dance at race end.
Unspeakable.

Totally unacceptable and in very poor taste. I nearly stopped watching F1 after that weekend.

I got awfully close too, jacfan

Julian Mayo wrote:

gkaytaz wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:
That I try not to think of. I was a fan of Ratzzy,.......that was friday.
Then the unthinkable.
Then the memory of someone doing a victory dance at race end.
Unspeakable.

Yeah that weekend was really sad. Funny but all these years I have never actually seen the end of the 94 San Marino GP. A victory dance after a race that claimed two lives is unacceptable

I, and at least one other who posts here saw the pumped arms etc. I watched in disbelief, then anger, then scorn, then disgust. I have never watched that person stand on the top step of the podium since that day

I saw it too. I could not believe that it was appropriate to dance about celebrating since two people had lost their lives and Rubens was also injured that weekend. No respect.

jacfan wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

gkaytaz wrote:
Yeah that weekend was really sad. Funny but all these years I have never actually seen the end of the 94 San Marino GP. A victory dance after a race that claimed two lives is unacceptable

I, and at least one other who posts here saw the pumped arms etc. I watched in disbelief, then anger, then scorn, then disgust. I have never watched that person stand on the top step of the podium since that day

I saw it too. I could not believe that it was appropriate to dance about celebrating since two people had lost their lives and Rubens was also injured that weekend. No respect.

Yeah, I had not forgotten about Rhubino.

It was a very dark weekend for Formula One.

jacfan wrote:It was a very dark weekend for Formula One.

One can but ponder on Ch'ship winners had that day not happened

IMHO MS certainly would not have been WC in '94 had it not been for the death of Ayrton.

jacfan wrote:IMHO MS certainly would not have been WC in '94 had it not been for the death of Ayrton.

Senna was definitely faster than Schumi. They were 1-2 on the grid for the first three races, all three poles going to Senna. Still given that Schumi had won all those and Senna never finished, perhaps the championship would have been up for grabs until the very last race. After all it's pretty much fighting an uphill battle starting 30 pts behind against a driver like Schumi.

On another note, yeah I had forgotten about Rubens. It was indeed one of the darkest weekends of F1 history. I just hope we'll never have to witness those moments again (crashes and dances alike).

gkaytaz wrote:

jacfan wrote:IMHO MS certainly would not have been WC in '94 had it not been for the death of Ayrton.

Senna was definitely faster than Schumi. They were 1-2 on the grid for the first three races, all three poles going to Senna. Still given that Schumi had won all those and Senna never finished, perhaps the championship would have been up for grabs until the very last race. After all it's pretty much fighting an uphill battle starting 30 pts behind against a driver like Schumi.

On another note, yeah I had forgotten about Rubens. It was indeed one of the darkest weekends of F1 history. I just hope we'll never have to witness those moments again (crashes and dances alike).

I would like to think, that by the time a driver has completed his first F1 season, (and that means a couple of us$mill in the bank at the very least, I think MW was on 5 mill US with Wiliams)
that the driver's usual, normal character would surface. For instance,
MW has created a "challenge" where top sports people, in teams and solo from all disciplines take him on thru bike, canoe, climb, trek, white water, etc in Tasmania,
where the water is icy in midsummer.......last year some of the fittest athletes had to be chopper rescued tring to keep up with him. Now I know that it is just Mark being too tight to pay for a personal trainer during the off season.......but it seems that there have been many hundreds of thousands of dollars raised for the charity of his choice.
the point I am trying to make in a tortuous fashion is that, a true champion is a champion, title or not.
To jump up and down when two challengers who have beaten you in various ways (mind, car, formulae ) still lie in the morgue awaiting collection by the grieving families, is a statement of who you are as a person, ergo, I reserve the right to despise the small m mAN (using the term loosely) while still being in awe of his car control.

Julian Mayo wrote:

jacfan wrote:It was a very dark weekend for Formula One.

One can but ponder on Ch'ship winners had that day not happened

The only good thing to come out of that weekend is the regs governing driver survivability. Sir Jackie Stewart won.

Julian Mayo wrote: I would like to think, that by the time a driver has completed his first F1 season, (and that means a couple of us$mill in the bank at the very least, I think MW was on 5 mill US with Wiliams)
that the driver's usual, normal character would surface. For instance,
MW has created a "challenge" where top sports people, in teams and solo from all disciplines take him on thru bike, canoe, climb, trek, white water, etc in Tasmania,
where the water is icy in midsummer.......last year some of the fittest athletes had to be chopper rescued tring to keep up with him. Now I know that it is just Mark being too tight to pay for a personal trainer during the off season.......but it seems that there have been many hundreds of thousands of dollars raised for the charity of his choice.
the point I am trying to make in a tortuous fashion is that, a true champion is a champion, title or not.
To jump up and down when two challengers who have beaten you in various ways (mind, car, formulae ) still lie in the morgue awaiting collection by the grieving families, is a statement of who you are as a person, ergo, I reserve the right to despise the small m mAN (using the term loosely) while still being in awe of his car control.

Character and talent are two entirely separate things. Thus one does not have to respect both.