WHICH DRIVER WILL BE THE "BANKER" FOR 2007 PICKS

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:39 pm

I heard Webber interviewed on Sunday.For 2007 Bridgestone are using a tried and tested tyre which he has driven on. I dont know if any other drivers have.

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:40 pm

JayVee wrote:Nothing really

A bit of broken logic (learned that from gkaytaz )
And a bit of broken poetry (cause I felt like it)

You know, music does wierd things to you

Aw, you're making me blush

Amjad · Post by **Amjad** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:32 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:I heard Webber interviewed on Sunday.For 2007 Bridgestone are using a tried and tested tyre which he has driven on. I dont know if any other drivers have.

It will be full advantage for 2006 Bridgestone teams at least in the early stages of the season where the winter test carried in cold temperature so the teams will have a shock in the wormer condition as performance of the tire changed dramatically. so they will work mainly in tires to make them work properly, in same time, their development program will come to halt as their comparing data need to adjusted according to tire performance, so when they add new part, they don't know if performance due to tire improvement or due to that part. (That what happened with Toyota in 2006, they kept them self away by data conflect until 7th or 8th round, then they start to face reliability problem because the are rushing R&D department to make the lost time in the beginning of the season )
waitting 2007...

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:34 pm

Amjad wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:I heard Webber interviewed on Sunday.For 2007 Bridgestone are using a tried and tested tyre which he has driven on. I dont know if any other drivers have.
It will be full advantage for 2006 Bridgestone teams at least in the early stages of the season where the winter test carried in cold temperature so the teams will have a shock in the wormer condition as performance of the tire changed dramatically. so they will work mainly in tires to make them work properly, in same time, their development program will come to halt as their comparing data need to adjusted according to tire performance, so when they add new part, they don't know if performance due to tire improvement or due to that part. (That what happened with Toyota in 2006, they kept them self away by data conflect until 7th or 8th round, then they start to face reliability problem because the are rushing R&D department to make the lost time in the beginning of the season )
waitting 2007...

Fair comment

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:41 am

gkaytaz wrote:
JayVee wrote:Personally I will pick Alonso every race but I realise that the McLaren may be unreliable early in the season

But I think the banker would be Fisichella (5th or 6th)

Perhaps Coulthard too (7th or 8th)

The "Banker" would have to be an experienced and consistent driver!

Yours
Dunno really. Guess I will go with Kimi but one thing is sure Snowy will pick Lewis Hamilton

Not necessarily

cmlean · Post by **cmlean** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:37 am

Wait til the circus gets to Europe. Then Lewis will have some idea of the setups for the tracks he has raced on before.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:04 am

During his holiday in Oz, one Mark Webber has been grinning like a Cheshire cat.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:06 pm

Amjad wrote:Let's take a look to what situation will be in early 2007 (first 3-5 races)
Renault:
+ve: stable technical department +management
-ve :Have New tire supplier + proven inconstancies driver(Fiso) + rookie

Ferrari:
+ve: have massa + Fia + Bridgestone
-ve :broken of dream team technical staff+ No MS+ new face (kimi)

McLaren:
+ve: have number one in the nose of the car
-ve: will have two new driver + new tire supplier+ struggling technical department

Honda:
+ve: have stable driver lineup + stable technical department + zonta
-ve: new tire supplier

BMW:
+ve: have proven driver (Nick) + stable technical department
-ve: new tire supplier + semi rookie (kubica)

Toyota:
+ve: have stable driver lineup + stable technical department + Bridgestone
-ve: Reliability (become too aggressive)

Redbull
+ve: have proven driver (DC) + Boosted technical department
-ve: new tire supplier + new driver (Webber)

Williams:
+ve: management
-ve: new engine + rusty racer (wurz)+ no leader driver

So it will be a mess start for 2007 until the 4th or 5th round and everything settle down

I think if 2006 Bridgestone shoed car have advantage in early 2007 it will be down to Ferrari (massa) and Toyota to dominate, if not it will be really mess and no one can predict any thing until actual race start in 2007

Good post Amjad but I have a few observations

Renault have proven inconsistencies with Fisichella (and I fully agree) but isn't that the same with Toyota and both their drivers ?

McLaren have struggling technical department ?? Why ? Adrian Newey left a long time ago. At least before last season started.
Toyota have a stable technical departement

Didn't Gascoyne leave during the season ?

You have Williams management as +

You aren't serious!

BMW have proven driver in Heidfeld. You think he is very good!

I think it is highly unlikely for Toyota to dominate. Perhaps 5th and 6th (if their drivers become consistent

)

It looks like Honda have a lot of + and very few - so they should dominate

I think Alonso and Kimi will fight it out but both will have their share of problems as the McLaren is no Renault and the Ferrari team isn't the same.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:11 pm

Amjad wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:I heard Webber interviewed on Sunday.For 2007 Bridgestone are using a tried and tested tyre which he has driven on. I dont know if any other drivers have.
It will be full advantage for 2006 Bridgestone teams at least in the early stages of the season where the winter test carried in cold temperature so the teams will have a shock in the wormer condition as performance of the tire changed dramatically. so they will work mainly in tires to make them work properly, in same time, their development program will come to halt as their comparing data need to adjusted according to tire performance, so when they add new part, they don't know if performance due to tire improvement or due to that part. (That what happened with Toyota in 2006, they kept them self away by data conflect until 7th or 8th round, then they start to face reliability problem because the are rushing R&D department to make the lost time in the beginning of the season )
waitting 2007...

There will be an advantage for Ferrari, Toyota and Williams, how much no one knows but I very much doubt it will be huge.

Toyota can't be used as a yardstick. They had major problems with their tyres early in the season but that doesn't mean Renault or McLaren will. There is a huge difference between those two teams and Toyota!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:13 pm

JayVee wrote:
Amjad wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:I heard Webber interviewed on Sunday.For 2007 Bridgestone are using a tried and tested tyre which he has driven on. I dont know if any other drivers have.
It will be full advantage for 2006 Bridgestone teams at least in the early stages of the season where the winter test carried in cold temperature so the teams will have a shock in the wormer condition as performance of the tire changed dramatically. so they will work mainly in tires to make them work properly, in same time, their development program will come to halt as their comparing data need to adjusted according to tire performance, so when they add new part, they don't know if performance due to tire improvement or due to that part. (That what happened with Toyota in 2006, they kept them self away by data conflect until 7th or 8th round, then they start to face reliability problem because the are rushing R&D department to make the lost time in the beginning of the season )
waitting 2007...
There will be an advantage for Ferrari, Toyota and Williams, how much no one knows but I very much doubt it will be huge.

Toyota can't be used as a yardstick. They had major problems with their tyres early in the season but that doesn't mean Renault or McLaren will. There is a huge difference between those two teams and Toyota!

I think the tyre is about 2-3 years old in design.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:20 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:During his holiday in Oz, one Mark Webber has been grinning like a Cheshire cat.

If anything I think Webber is downplaying his chances. His bad experience at Williams has taught him a lot and he doesn't want to raise expecations only to be met with dissapointement half way into the season.

On paper the Red Bull should be a good car with Newey and Renault but there are other factors. Reliability for example!

I hope Webber does well cause the next season will determine which way his career will go.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:27 pm

Julian Mayo wrote: I think the tyre is about 2-3 years old in design.

If that is the case then only Ferrari will have an advantage

I read an article on motorsport.com where the Bridgestone director said

There is a change in philosophy: in '06 we tried hard to get the tyres to suit the cars, but the reverse will be true next year. The teams will have to work hard to get their cars to suit the tyres

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:42 pm

JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:During his holiday in Oz, one Mark Webber has been grinning like a Cheshire cat.
If anything I think Webber is downplaying his chances. His bad experience at Williams has taught him a lot and he doesn't want to raise expecations only to be met with dissapointement half way into the season.

On paper the Red Bull should be a good car with Newey and Renault but there are other factors. Reliability for example!

I hope Webber does well cause the next season will determine which way his career will go.

Verbally Webber is painting as grim a picture as sounds acceptable..........the only trouble is he cant stop grinning while he is doing so

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:46 pm

JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote: I think the tyre is about 2-3 years old in design.
If that is the case then only Ferrari will have an advantage

I read an article on motorsport.com where the Bridgestone director said
There is a change in philosophy: in '06 we tried hard to get the tyres to suit the cars, but the reverse will be true next year. The teams will have to work hard to get their cars to suit the tyres

I am not sure of the fact. Webber said, in an interview on air at Symmons Plains that Bridgestone was playing safe by using an older tyre, which he has driven on. It would make sense that Bridgestone is not going to pour trillions into developing tyres for a control formula.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:52 pm

I think it is a given that when there is no competition there won't be the will to improve.

Webber's experience counts but lets hope the Red Bull doesn't chew a lot