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JayVee wrote:

bundy wrote:

JayVee wrote: Heidfeld out-qualified and out-raced Webber, what's the story ?

Nick started the race 4 places ahead of Mark!!!
Out-Raced is a bit rich.........

Both had similar fuel loads yet Webber was more than a second slower in qualifying. We all know how good Webber is in qualifying yet on Saturday he struggled.
In the race Webber was lapped, Heidfeld wasn't, the fastest lap of Heidfeld was 4 tenths faster than Webber. Those starting between Heidfeld and Webber all retired.

Clearly Webber in Hungary was out-raced by his team-mate

Nah, I don't see it. Not so clear to me.

33% Mark Webber driver of the race.........

Here's some more maths for you SGD. 3 weeks to go til Turkey.
3 weeks of Ferrari testing 3 cars flat out for 1000s of kms.
that is 3x3x1000s: or in days, 21x3x1000s.
Meanwhile the other teams will do how much testing?

sgd wrote:33% Mark Webber driver of the race.........

Wasn't me. I don't think he was that good. But he wasn't as bad as what some people are saying.

Hey JayVee

Fact:
Alonso (the cute) came 11th
Quick Nick came 6th

Rumour:
Has JV jumped ship to Nick????

Not that I am one to start rumours

Yeah Heidfrld did beat Webber in Hungary Burt what gets me is the way Mario is always talking up Nick!!

Jumped ship, or pushed overboard?

rah wrote: Nah, I don't see it. Not so clear to me.

Take your Webber glasses off, things will become clearer then!!

Lloyd wrote:Hey JayVee

Fact:
Alonso (the cute) came 11th
Quick Nick came 6th

Rumour:
Has JV jumped ship to Nick????

Not that I am one to start rumours

Yeah Heidfrld did beat Webber in Hungary Burt what gets me is the way Mario is always talking up Nick!!

Nick No, no, no

I'll use the last 4 races (again )

Alonso 1, 2, 1, 11 - No other driver did better - FACT

I don't think I'll ever be a fan of Nick however one thing I like about him is that he goes about his business quietly without making noises. Something that Webber lacks.

There is no truth to the rumour that I dislike Webber, on the contrary I would love to see him win races and championships.
My preference is for drivers with character but I'll speak my mind always whoever the driver is, even The Cute but he is perfect

in a very small sort of way

julian mayo wrote:Here's some more maths for you SGD. 3 weeks to go til Turkey.
3 weeks of Ferrari testing 3 cars flat out for 1000s of kms.
that is 3x3x1000s: or in days, 21x3x1000s.
Meanwhile the other teams will do how much testing?

Good one julian, but really who cares!!! Bambino driver who said

I think neither of the solutions we had available in Hockenheim worked out, neither Rubens nor I were particularly great at any stage. But it is different this weekend, very different

He was over 35 seconds slower than Raikkonen and was caught by Ralf in The Toyota!

In Hungary they had similar pace to BAR and Toyota. They seem to have duplicated half the Michelin recipe , they have a long long long way to go yet.

The more arrogant they get the more they isolate themselves

JayVee wrote:

julian mayo wrote:Here's some more maths for you SGD. 3 weeks to go til Turkey.
3 weeks of Ferrari testing 3 cars flat out for 1000s of kms.
that is 3x3x1000s: or in days, 21x3x1000s.
Meanwhile the other teams will do how much testing?

Good one julian, but really who cares!!! Bambino driver who said

I think neither of the solutions we had available in Hockenheim worked out, neither Rubens nor I were particularly great at any stage. But it is different this weekend, very different

He was over 35 seconds slower than Raikkonen and was caught by Ralf in The Toyota!

In Hungary they had similar pace to BAR and Toyota. They seem to have duplicated half the Michelin recipe , they have a long long long way to go yet.

The more arrogant they get the more they isolate themselves

I REALLY CARE, BECAUSE IT IS DAMNED UNSPORTING

Read mlittle's signature again.

JayVee wrote:

Lloyd wrote: Yeah Heidfrld did beat Webber in Hungary Burt what gets me is the way Mario is always talking up Nick!!

I don't think I'll ever be a fan of Nick however one thing I like about him is that he goes about his business quietly without making noises. Something that Webber lacks.

Well said JayVee.
Lloyd, talk about talking a driver up!!!! At least someone in the know can see Nick's worth in a team, even Frank Williams is on record as saying that Nick's technical input far exceeded anyone at williams expectations.
With all the hype around how fantastic Mark Webber is, I am surprised that so far this season anyone has beaten MW, let alone his own team mate. He has quite frankly been one of the big disapointments this season. He certainly makes a lot of noise for someone who has never won any sort of championship, unlike Nick who has!
Here is a short comparison of their seasons so far:

In Qualifying MW has been ahead of NH 8 times in twelve races,
In race results MW has finished ahead of NH 6 times in twelve races,
Improving on qualifying position during a race MW=4 times, NH=6 times,
Fastest race lap NH has been quicker than MW 8 times in twelve races, and probably the most telling figure of all,
WDC Points NH=28, MW=24.

Let the numbers speak for themselves

And which one of them has been driving the car with the development bits, which have been a disaster?

I think just looking at the stats is a bits silly, there are many arguments to and for the both of them. Don't just look at the stats people.