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julian mayo wrote: MY WORK HERE IS DONE.

Not yet,u started this & u cant leave till its over

Kapel wrote:Actually JayVee,he's the best return on investment guy in terms of sponsorship atleast & also u cant deny he's still fast given the equipment.

A driver off his peak is bad for the sponsors

As for his speed, I never thought he was fast in a level playing field

Kapel wrote:Also,he has the biggest (like & dislike)fan base Almost 99.9% of the people who watch F1 either love him or love to hate him!!!

Do you have stats to prove that

Many people just pick the winner and become fans (follow the herd mentality)

rah wrote: Nice stats JV. but here are some others.

5, 3, 4, 1, 1, 3, 2, 2, 5, 1, 1, 1, 1, ?

Those are some pretty nice stats as well. Show me an F1 driver in the paddock that can match that.

Sure nice stats but I and many read them as follows:

5, 3, 4, 1 (don't count after bumping Hill), 1, 3, 2 (actually 20th after being stripped of his ranking for bumping Villeneuve), 2, 5, the rest are 1's driving for a team that only allows for 1 driver and a helper.

So nice but tainted stats

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote: Nice stats JV. but here are some others.

5, 3, 4, 1, 1, 3, 2, 2, 5, 1, 1, 1, 1, ?

Those are some pretty nice stats as well. Show me an F1 driver in the paddock that can match that.

Sure nice stats but I and many read them as follows:

5, 3, 4, 1 (don't count after bumping Hill), 1, 3, 2 (actually 20th after being stripped of his ranking for bumping Villeneuve), 2, 5, the rest are 1's driving for a team that only allows for 1 driver and a helper.

So nice but tainted stats

1994,if you dont wanna count that as his championship then i think u'll be happy to remove one championship each from late Senna & from Prost too..
In 2000,2001,2003,2004 a clear winner on his own,without help from Barri.
2002 only one race.

JayVee,i'll surely put u in the category who loves to hate him

Why does everybody always need to break out the statistics.....why not just have a good old fashioned fight to the death
Julian can bring his axe, and i can bring one of the blades from my cessna's propellar.......

I definately fall into the category of disliking Shuey....

<T-K> wrote:Why does everybody always need to break out the statistics.....why not just have a good old fashioned fight to the death
Julian can bring his axe, and i can bring one of the blades from my cessna's propellar.......

I definately fall into the category of disliking Shuey....

Stats just form the base of arguement.

Yes the axe,the blade...all would be required,but i'll be on the opposite side so miss me pls

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote: Nice stats JV. but here are some others.

5, 3, 4, 1, 1, 3, 2, 2, 5, 1, 1, 1, 1, ?

Those are some pretty nice stats as well. Show me an F1 driver in the paddock that can match that.

Sure nice stats but I and many read them as follows:

5, 3, 4, 1 (don't count after bumping Hill), 1, 3, 2 (actually 20th after being stripped of his ranking for bumping Villeneuve), 2, 5, the rest are 1's driving for a team that only allows for 1 driver and a helper.

So nice but tainted stats

So what you are saying, is that after you take away all the "Tainted Stats", then he is still the most succesfull driver on the grid?

<T-K> wrote:Why does everybody always need to break out the statistics.....why not just have a good old fashioned fight to the death
Julian can bring his axe, and i can bring one of the blades from my cessna's propellar.......

I definately fall into the category of disliking Shuey....

I only throw stats at people who throw stats at me. When I can be bothered of course.

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote: Nice stats JV. but here are some others.

5, 3, 4, 1, 1, 3, 2, 2, 5, 1, 1, 1, 1, ?

Those are some pretty nice stats as well. Show me an F1 driver in the paddock that can match that.

Sure nice stats but I and many read them as follows:

5, 3, 4, 1 (don't count after bumping Hill), 1, 3, 2 (actually 20th after being stripped of his ranking for bumping Villeneuve), 2, 5, the rest are 1's driving for a team that only allows for 1 driver and a helper.

So nice but tainted stats

1994,if you dont wanna count that as his championship then i think u'll be happy to remove one championship each from late Senna & from Prost too..
In 2000,2001,2003,2004 a clear winner on his own,without help from Barri.
2002 only one race.

JayVee,i'll surely put u in the category who loves to hate him

Yes he was a clear winner on his own but in a single driver team. You see his team (and I am sure Barrichello would have told you this) only concentrates on him.

In all those seasons, he used to exclusively test the new car, in fact in 2003 I think he raced with the new car while poor Barrichello raced in the old car.

He gets the spare car at all the events except Brazil

He gets first call on strategy, etc...

With such an advantage no wonder Barrichello was nowhere.

Now let me ask you, if Michael is the great driver many here beleive, why demand a number 1 status. If you are good then you don't need an unfair advantage to beat your team-mate

I wouldn't put love and Michael in the same sentence

His past just shows how unsportsman he is and even now just look at how he behaves when he is in the midfield

rah wrote:

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote: Nice stats JV. but here are some others.

5, 3, 4, 1, 1, 3, 2, 2, 5, 1, 1, 1, 1, ?

Those are some pretty nice stats as well. Show me an F1 driver in the paddock that can match that.

Sure nice stats but I and many read them as follows:

5, 3, 4, 1 (don't count after bumping Hill), 1, 3, 2 (actually 20th after being stripped of his ranking for bumping Villeneuve), 2, 5, the rest are 1's driving for a team that only allows for 1 driver and a helper.

So nice but tainted stats

So what you are saying, is that after you take away all the "Tainted Stats", then he is still the most succesfull driver on the grid?

Statistically yes and he will probably retire once he beats Senna's poles but to me he won the last 5 based on an unfair advantage. Those figures don't impress me.

Prost's figures impress me far more as he didnt' have a Numero Uno status:
15, 5, 4, 2, 2, 1, 1, 4, 2, 1, 2, 5, - , 1

Kapel wrote:

<T-K> wrote:Why does everybody always need to break out the statistics.....why not just have a good old fashioned fight to the death
Julian can bring his axe, and i can bring one of the blades from my cessna's propellar.......

I definately fall into the category of disliking Shuey....

Stats just form the base of arguement.

Yes the axe,the blade...all would be required,but i'll be on the opposite side so miss me pls

I'll give it one of those half hearted swings where you end up saying "oh darn it...i missed again" in a very sarcastic tone...

rah wrote:

<T-K> wrote:Why does everybody always need to break out the statistics.....why not just have a good old fashioned fight to the death
Julian can bring his axe, and i can bring one of the blades from my cessna's propellar.......

I definately fall into the category of disliking Shuey....

I only throw stats at people who throw stats at me. When I can be bothered of course.

As long as you throw pretty hard its ok by me...

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote:

JayVee wrote:
Sure nice stats but I and many read them as follows:

5, 3, 4, 1 (don't count after bumping Hill), 1, 3, 2 (actually 20th after being stripped of his ranking for bumping Villeneuve), 2, 5, the rest are 1's driving for a team that only allows for 1 driver and a helper.

So nice but tainted stats

So what you are saying, is that after you take away all the "Tainted Stats", then he is still the most succesfull driver on the grid?

Statistically yes and he will probably retire once he beats Senna's poles but to me he won the last 5 based on an unfair advantage. Those figures don't impress me.

Prost's figures impress me far more as he didnt' have a Numero Uno status:
15, 5, 4, 2, 2, 1, 1, 4, 2, 1, 2, 5, - , 1

Fair enough, I think we can agree to disagree and be done with the argument.

One last thing... Schuey will do anything to win, including risking the life of others....does he really know how the accidents he has caused over the years are going to pan out each time? No! So, imho, not is he also an average driver, as we see today, he is also, again imho, a dangerous egotist who will endanger the lives of others for championship points.

julian mayo wrote:One last thing... Schuey will do anything to win, including risking the life of others....does he really know how the accidents he has caused over the years are going to pan out each time? No! So, imho, not is he also an average driver, as we see today, he is also, again imho, a dangerous egotist who will endanger the lives of others for championship points.

Say it like it is......POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!