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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:55 am
by Ed
Here is a team by team summary from race day in Melbourne (GMM), you can also vote for the driver of the day

MCLAREN-MERCEDES
It was a walk in Albert Park for Lewis Hamilton, who after his 5.4 second victory over BMW's Nick Heidfeld insisted that he could have gone quicker. "There is a long way to go and we never underestimate our competition," a cautious Ron Dennis said, referring to Ferrari's disastrous day. Heikki Kovalainen looked on track for second but was shuffled down to fifth when the timing of the last safety car spoiled his planned pit stop, and after passing Fernando Alonso's Renault he let the Spaniard back through when he accidentally hit the pit lane speed limiter.


BMW SAUBER
Nick Heidfeld finished second, and after qualifying second, teammate Robert Kubica was running fifth on a compromised strategy when Kazuki Nakajima - the Williams rookie who was penalised ten positions on the Malaysian GP grid for the incident - crashed into him.

WILLIAMS-TOYOTA
A delighted Nico Rosberg's well deserved podium is the first in his career, while Nakajima was the last car to greet the chequered flag but he still collects three points due to the emaciated field, putting Williams at second place in the championship so far.

RENAULT
Nelson Piquet's atrocious debut weekend got even worse when he incurred terminal damage on the first lap, while Alonso made the most of the Australian chaos with fourth place. "We must improve our level of performance in qualifying and our pace in the race," he said.

TORO ROSSO-FERRARI
The team would not confirm that Sebastien Bourdais' problem was the third Ferrari engine to fail on Sunday, but it is a fact that he missed what would have been fourth place on debut. Amazingly, although his smoky STR2 was parked on the verge, he was still classified and collects two points. Sebastian Vettel got a terrible start and exited the race in the turn one melee.

FERRARI
After arguably winning the 'winter' championship, Ferrari had one of its worst showings in recent history, as Kimi Raikkonen - following a couple of race-ruining driver errors - scraped a lucky point after his engine failed. Felipe Massa survived the David Coulthard shunt, and was lying seventh when his own V8 gave up. "The engines are being sent immediately to Maranello for analysis," said Stefano Domenicali, whose debut as team boss could not have been worse. World champion Raikkonen remained upbeat, knowing that the F2008 is still perhaps the fastest car in the field. "We are capable of recovering from far worse situations than this," he said.

TOYOTA
Timo Glock left Albert Park wearing a bandage on his left wrist after his huge air-time and crash landing at the exit of turn twelve. Jarno Trulli was furious when he also had to retire with a battery that fried in the Aussie heat.

SUPER AGURI
If the Japanese team was short on spare parts before the red lights went out, it is now in serious trouble, because Takuma Sato stopped on track with an unspecified failure and Anthony Davidson found himself the meat in a formula one sandwich on lap one.

RED BULL-RENAULT
A furious Coulthard turned the live airwaves blue after his terminal crash with Massa, while unlucky local Mark Webber was one of the pieces of bread in the Davidson sandwich.

FORCE INDIA-FERRARI
Giancarlo Fisichella's car nearly rolled over as he crashed out in the turn one chaos, and it is understood that he was referring to Glock and Piquet when he blamed some 'kamikaze' rivals. Adrian Sutil's car, hurriedly built overnight by the team after Saturday's incident cracked his race chassis, stopped with a failure of the hydraulics system. "The positive is that we have another event in just one week's time where we can try again," said team owner Vijay Mallya.

HONDA
Rubens Barrichello's sixth at the chequer was cancelled by the stewards, because he drove through a red light at the end of pit lane. At the same time, his crew was limping back into the garage, after the lollipop man let the Brazilian driver go when the fuel hose was still attached. On the bright side, he kept Raikkonen's Ferrari at bay for 19 laps. Teammate Jenson Button's suspension got destroyed against Vettel's car in the first lap melee.

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:46 am
by Jim Watt
:D :D

I knew this was going to be a fun year. I just didn't know that the proud marque from maranello was going to turn into the clown brigade! It's O.K. Kimi, you'll just have to do it by yourself from now on :alright:

Even if it was a disaster for Ferrari, it WAS GREAT FUN WATCHING Kimi RACE! He had me on my feet and yelling at the tele! But I'll admit, you have to love him more for his heart than his grace. He is not pretty, not neat, and certainly not elegant. He is more your sledgehammer driver, when he crushes someone he can't get back up for three or four laps -- but when he misses it's dangerous for any and all in the vicinity. 8)

I LOVED his outbreaking himself trying to get second place: classic Kimi. If he'd gotten three or four fewer inches in the grass, he'd have held it and made one of those passes for the ages. As it is, he looked like Takuma Sato on an off day. :oops: Oh Well, you don't win by wishing for it.

Felipe, on the other hand, drove a pretty good race. (D.C., by the way, needs to shut his trap and pay better attention to his driving line! :threat: )

But now that Todt and Braun have departed, apparently the guys in the red uniforms can't count. Take a Note Ferrari chaps: you can't deliver a 40 lap car to a 55 lap race. :evil:

Drive of the day had to be Lewis' (not that we got to SEE it in the states! In fact, Hobbes, Ratchet et. al. had almost forgotten who was leading when the race ended: "I say, who's that chap in the silver car? He looks to be taking the Chequers." :roll: )

Nico, a talented kid, showed that Toyota's problem isn't (and never has been!) its engine.

Rubens --I have to disagree with Snowy on this-- looked pretty damn good to me. If he's a moving chicane, he's a moving chicane that the WDC took more than a third of the race to get round!

And, of course, a tip of the hat and congrats to Fernando Alonso. Tho' (again, I'm talking about Speed Channel's commentary in the states) the chaps calling the race couldn't resist slamming him as a whiner and a pouter. I think one of them even suggested when he doesn't get his way he cries and the other said his (that is Fernando's) reputation was destroyed last year.

Say what? Unless my mind has gone completely, he only missed a third consecutive WDC last year by TWO points!! How does that destroy your reputation??!! He drove a brilliant race in a not so brilliant car (improved his position by 8 places!) All this while Kimi was rocketing about like an unguided missile.

On the other hand, though, the really impressive show was Sebastian Bourdais.' He out did Fernando, improving his position by ELEVEN places --and this was even when his bloody Ferrari engine fizzled on him!!

It looks bad, by the by, for the new Piquet chap. He may be the new "Ralphie" I fear. But remember last year. Heikki didn't look so good at first either.

And his little loss of concentration (hitting the pit limiter after passing Fernando) was actually very similar to Lewis's famous gravel pit excursion last year: the one that cost him the WDC.

So. Now. On to Malaya.

May it be even hotter. Maybe Ferrari could de-tune their engines to the point where they can at least drive them into the garage rather than limping to a halt on the course!

I still love Kimi. Don't get me wrong. He's more exciting than any of them to me. In fact, I'll pick him to win in Sepang. First, though, he'll need to take the pole from Lewis! :burnout:

Jim Watt

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:47 am
by mlittle
Other than the various carbon fibre festivals and engines BBQ'ing themselves, this was a wicked race.........where do I start?

~~It was a walk in the park for Lewis Hamilton; he didn't put a wheel wrong all race long. Like I said in the predictions' threads, IMO, both Hamilton and McLaren are on a mission......McLaren to show that 2007 is clearly over with and done for, and Hamilton to exorcise the demons of the final 2 races of '07, when he had the championship in hand and lost it all........granted, this is only the first race of the year, but if he drives like that all year........... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
~~What happened to Ferrari? Neither Massa nor Raikkonen finished the race and for the first time in a long while, the Scuderia is without a single point in the Constructors' fight.... :shock:
~~Driver of the Day.............SeaBass, a/k/a Sebastien Bourdais, who had a potential 4th-place finish go away when his engine decided to BBQ itself.....but he ran a good race, kept his nose clean and had a decent performance in his F1 debut. Like I've said before, if Bourdais has half as good an F1 campaign this year as he did in his ChampCar career........I won't be surprised if he does relatively well this year.

Most exciting race for a long long time

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:44 am
by abertrand
Farewell traction control :D

Great race from Barrichello. It´s a pity it was ruined by poor pit strategy.

Re: Most exciting race for a long long time

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:13 am
by mlittle
abertrand wrote:Farewell traction control :D

Great race from Barrichello. It´s a pity it was ruined by poor pit strategy.
"Farewell traction control".........this race reminded me in a sense of a quote by NA motorsports legend Rick Mears; someone asked him back at Mid-Ohio back in the mid-90's about whether they should allow traction control in CART.....Mears pointed at his right foot and said, "There's your traction control." I'm just glad they don't have it in F1 anymore; it puts driver skill upfront again

:welcome: :welcome: BTW, wlecome to the forums, abertrand.......feel free to browse the various racing sections(F1, V8 Supercars, MotoGP, NA Motorsports, etc...).....feel like blowing off a little steam? Visit the Lounge; the barkeeps are friendly and will always lend an ear..... :) :lol: :lol:

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:16 am
by Redhead
Sebastian B's result was very flattering, he didnt come close to Sebastian V all weekend and he'll have to change that very quickly if he wants to get ahead

cheers,
Cam

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:01 pm
by Lloyd
Well I am home from the GP, showered, rehydrated and had a decent sleep. It is amazing how different the reality and the TV coverage can be. The weather wasnt the only thing that was hot in Melbourne, that was an action fest race. Itwas an example of what fun reverse grids can be. Seb Bord. was drive of the day, didnt put a wheel wrong in a car that on any other day would only be running at the back of the middle pack. He will do well in F1. Alonso also drove an excellent race and had a jot of good luck thrown his way from Kovi (hitting the speed limiter) The Hondas & Toyotas were the surprises to me they both performed above expectations and helped Williams to a few points. One thing that you dont notice on the TV that is very noticable at the track is the absence of the machine gun noise of the traction control. The engines still scream at you but it is noticibly different through the corners wher the TC used to kick in. The Honda engines also have a decidedly diffent note to the other engines even with earplugs they loud. Had a great time even in the heat but I feel for Webber, he must have broken a mirror after his great first race with Minardi and is having 7 yrs bad luck at Melbourne. Best Quote was from DC, "I will kick 3 colours of Sh!^ out of him if he doesnt" :D talking about Massa needing toapologise for taking him out on turn 1.

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:35 am
by JayVee
Alonso was the driver of the day for me, he was Magic :D
Reading Pat Symonds comment "I think that Fernando's performance today was just wonderful. He used everything that we gave him and more" just says it all

Funny no one really mentions that he actually passed Raikkonen and Kovalainen in one go. It will probably go down as one of the best overtaking moves this year. (Not by F1 Racing or ITV though) Pity we didn't get to see much of it.
It was a matter of time of Kovalainen to overtake him again as he was struggling big time with his soft compound
And sure he got lucky with Bourdais retiring but had it not been for the safety car he would have been on the podium ......
Still 4th place was a great result, I just hope they improve the car.

Congratulations to Hamilton on winning but how lucky can you get ? Kovalainen was catching him before the safety car came out but then it was a drive in the park.

Well done to Rosberg and Bourdais, they had good races particularly Bourdais. Felt sorry for Kubica and Webber :(

Ferrari had a bad day car and drivers. I didn't expect so many errors from Raikkonen. I hope it was just a bad day or are they missing the Todt factor ?

I think this season we'll be lucky to see a clean start .... but it is cool, I actually enjoyed this race a lot (especially with not much coverage of Hamilton so we don't hear James Allen's ridiculous bias that much)

TV coverage was poor, not up to Aussie standard :(

Watch out for Alonso in Malaysia he loves that track .... I just feel sorry for Piquet :(

Can't wait :wink:

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:39 am
by Bundy
Whilst JayVee's vote for FA was to be expected, I have decided to follow suit. Hamilton didn't put a foot wrong all weekend but just gets pipped by FA. Rubens and Bourdais did a good job as well.

That was definitely the most interesting race I have seen in a long time. Bodes well for the rest of the year.

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:44 am
by Jim Watt
:D Greetings Chaps (and, especially, Ed):

So what happened to the press coverage of the teams? Last year we got not only an overall view from the race director for each team, but quotes from each driver.

The brief little digest of team response doesn't help much :evil:

Are the teams not releasing any more data and commentary? I tried to find something at the 'Official F1 site' but, of course, thats' the blandest source of non-information possible! My assumption is that it is managed by Bernie E.; it would be hard to find a less fan friendly site if you tried!

I am, of course, anxious to know something about the Ferrari engine situation. Saying that the motors would be shipped to Maranello was a little absurd. It would make better sense IMHO to ship some race engineers and crew members to Woking where they could learn something about running an F1 racing operation! :roll:

Well, anyway, on to Malaya. I assume, because of the mixed up results in Melbourne, the Pole n'8 results won't be posted until after Malaya.

But shouldn't there be a Malaya thread by now?

Jim Watt

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:07 pm
by jido
Jim Watt wrote:I am, of course, anxious to know something about the Ferrari engine situation. Saying that the motors would be shipped to Maranello was a little absurd. It would make better sense IMHO to ship some race engineers and crew members to Woking where they could learn something about running an F1 racing operation! :roll:
It does make sense to inspect the failed engines and learn how the incident happened.

When are the picks for Malaysia?

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:17 pm
by jacfan
Just back from Phuket. Forgot to set the dvd recorder and did not see or hear anything about the race. I am thinking my tips will be crap but it is only the start of the season.
Hi to all and hopefully catch some of the regulars soon.

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:02 pm
by jido
jacfan wrote:Just back from Phuket. Forgot to set the dvd recorder and did not see or hear anything about the race. I am thinking my tips will be crap but it is only the start of the season.
Hi to all and hopefully catch some of the regulars soon.
Lol!
Welcome back jacfan. You will see it was an interesting race, and the next one may be more interesting even!

:twisted:

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:02 pm
by Snowy
JayVee wrote:
Congratulations to Hamilton on winning but how lucky can you get ? Kovalainen was catching him before the safety car came out but then it was a drive in the park.
I don't think that was the case . . . when Lewis and Heikki were nose to tail this is what the FIA Live Timing was telling us:

On lap 23 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 11.7
On lap 24 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 12.2
On lap 25 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 12.6
On lap 26 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 12.4
On lap 27 Saftey car deployed,

On lap 30 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 0.6
On lap 31 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 1.6
On lap 32 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 2.3
On lap 33 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 3.4
On lap 34 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 4.1
On lap 35 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 4.7
On lap 36 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 5.1
On lap 37 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 5.5
On lap 38 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 6.0
On lap 39 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 6.5
On lap 40 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 5.9
Lewis made a mistake in the first sector posting a 29.9 instead of his usual 29.0 or 29.1
normal service was resumed on lap 41 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 6.5
On lap 42 the gap between Lewis & Heikki was: 5.9
Lewis is in the pitlane when he passes the start finish line

Unfortunately for us the battle was never rejoined as the pace car was deployed on lap 44 and Heikki's race was cruelly ruined.

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:13 pm
by Snowy
I should point out that it is believed that the wake of an F1 car can have an effect on a following car upto as much as 5 seconds! Even with this in mind and the effect of Heikki carrying more fuel there is cause for everyone who is not Lewis Hamilton to be a little worried. He was very quick and says he could have gone quicker! Apart from the 29.9sec first sector on lap 40 he was metronomic.