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rah wrote: And can someone please let me know what this complete rubish about Rubens and others having a lesser car than the number one driver in the team. Absolute rubbish. Teams do not spend multi millions on development and only spend time on one car. Maybe a long time ago, but not these days.

Well this is a bit tricky as you haven't defined "a long time ago".

It is a well known fact the Michael gets the spare car at all the races except for Brazil.
It is a certain fact that in 2002 Michael raced with the new car while Barrichello raced with the old car
Michael always gets priority when it comes to testing the new car.

Those are facts that are known and it is obvious that Rubens isn't getting equal treatment. Surely there would be a lot more than that hapenning behind closed doors which I am sure we'll hear about soon after Rubens leaves Ferrari.
Or perhaps Kapel can tell us some stories told by his good friend

sgd wrote:
Now i wonder... why you all became ferrari fans??? just because it was the winning team??? poor babes! easy way isn't it? "i'm fan of the team which wins"...

sgd,
I have probably been a Ferrari fan for more years that you have been alive, so I take exception to your assumption that Ferrari fans only became fans because they win. I remember all their driver world championship wins since 1975, four years AFTER I became a fan.

No my friend, your statement applies more to McLaren fans than Ferrari fans.

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote: And can someone please let me know what this complete rubish about Rubens and others having a lesser car than the number one driver in the team. Absolute rubbish. Teams do not spend multi millions on development and only spend time on one car. Maybe a long time ago, but not these days.

Well this is a bit tricky as you haven't defined "a long time ago".

It is a well known fact the Michael gets the spare car at all the races except for Brazil.
It is a certain fact that in 2002 Michael raced with the new car while Barrichello raced with the old car
Michael always gets priority when it comes to testing the new car.

Those are facts that are known and it is obvious that Rubens isn't getting equal treatment. Surely there would be a lot more than that hapenning behind closed doors which I am sure we'll hear about soon after Rubens leaves Ferrari.
Or perhaps Kapel can tell us some stories told by his good friend

Well MS is their lead driver. Rubens would know this. But I really doubt his car is not looked after as much. MS will always get the most opportunities, but I dont believe for one second that Rubens car was intentionally made to go slower than MS's.

GhoGho wrote:

sgd wrote:
Now i wonder... why you all became ferrari fans??? just because it was the winning team??? poor babes! easy way isn't it? "i'm fan of the team which wins"...

sgd,
I have probably been a Ferrari fan for more years that you have been alive, so I take exception to your assumption that Ferrari fans only became fans because they win. I remember all their driver world championship wins since 1975, four years AFTER I became a fan.

No my friend, your statement applies more to McLaren fans than Ferrari fans.

LOL, here here.

[/b]SGD, Ferrari don't cheat, they play the game.
Firstly, Ferrari didn't sign any test ban agreement. They are the only top team running on Bridgestone tyres and they need technical data. Michelin have McLaren, Williams, Toyota, BAR, & Renault conducting testing on their tyres. Therefore Ferrari can do 5 times more testing to get the same data.
Secondly, Ferrari receive more money from F1 because the payout schedule from F1 goes from top to bottom. ie. The top finishing team from last year gets the most money, the team that finish 2nd get the next highest money, down the the lowest team who score points gets the least amount of funding.
Thirdly, Ferrari is a team. If they want to promote one driver to beat another, they can. It's there team. They can do what they want, as can any other team.
Your comments just go to show that you don't know what you are talking about. Stop watching motor racing and take up sewing.[size=24][/size][color=red][/color]

Edited - Personal insults not allowed here - Oh come on ....
Edited one last time! - Personal insults not allowed here

LMFAO

Whatever

Jordan is also cheating!!!!!!
They gave the new car to Monteiro & didnt concentrate on Narain's car at all in Italy!!!!
Y this prefrential treatment towards Monteiro????

BAR is also cheating!!!!
They fitted all the new aero parts to Button's car & poor Sato had to struggle badly in Italy.

I've info on Mclaren & Renault also...but i'm too bored to write it..
Every team tests new parts on 1 car first...i think i dont need to explain tht!!!!

rah wrote:

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote: And can someone please let me know what this complete rubish about Rubens and others having a lesser car than the number one driver in the team. Absolute rubbish. Teams do not spend multi millions on development and only spend time on one car. Maybe a long time ago, but not these days.

Well this is a bit tricky as you haven't defined "a long time ago".

It is a well known fact the Michael gets the spare car at all the races except for Brazil.
It is a certain fact that in 2002 Michael raced with the new car while Barrichello raced with the old car
Michael always gets priority when it comes to testing the new car.

Those are facts that are known and it is obvious that Rubens isn't getting equal treatment. Surely there would be a lot more than that hapenning behind closed doors which I am sure we'll hear about soon after Rubens leaves Ferrari.
Or perhaps Kapel can tell us some stories told by his good friend

Well MS is their lead driver. Rubens would know this. But I really doubt his car is not looked after as much. MS will always get the most opportunities, but I dont believe for one second that Rubens car was intentionally made to go slower than MS's.

See rah, it is tricky to get into a discussion with you as you change your reference points. First you said "please let me know what this complete rubish about Rubens and others having a lesser car than the number one driver in the team" and now you say " I dont believe for one second that Rubens car was intentionally made to go slower than MS's"

A "lesser" car doesn't mean it is intentionally made slower and I never suggested Barrichello would get an intentionally slower car.
I described earlier how Barrichello is treated in an inferior way at Ferrari.

Isn't it interesting that Kapel isn't adding his two cents on this particular subject

Kapel wrote:Jordan is also cheating!!!!!!
They gave the new car to Monteiro & didnt concentrate on Narain's car at all in Italy!!!!
Y this prefrential treatment towards Monteiro????

BAR is also cheating!!!!
They fitted all the new aero parts to Button's car & poor Sato had to struggle badly in Italy.

I've info on Mclaren & Renault also...but i'm too bored to write it..
Every team tests new parts on 1 car first...i think i dont need to explain tht!!!!

Hey Kapel, have some iced tea instead of that Red Bull

Didn't Karthikeyan lose the toss ? Is he seen around Tendulkar again ?

I thought Sato was actually doing better the Button in Italy

Too bored huh ?

I hope it rains in Belgium (but not on the track )

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote:

JayVee wrote:
Well this is a bit tricky as you haven't defined "a long time ago".

It is a well known fact the Michael gets the spare car at all the races except for Brazil.
It is a certain fact that in 2002 Michael raced with the new car while Barrichello raced with the old car
Michael always gets priority when it comes to testing the new car.

Those are facts that are known and it is obvious that Rubens isn't getting equal treatment. Surely there would be a lot more than that hapenning behind closed doors which I am sure we'll hear about soon after Rubens leaves Ferrari.
Or perhaps Kapel can tell us some stories told by his good friend

Well MS is their lead driver. Rubens would know this. But I really doubt his car is not looked after as much. MS will always get the most opportunities, but I dont believe for one second that Rubens car was intentionally made to go slower than MS's.

See rah, it is tricky to get into a discussion with you as you change your reference points. First you said "please let me know what this complete rubish about Rubens and others having a lesser car than the number one driver in the team" and now you say " I dont believe for one second that Rubens car was intentionally made to go slower than MS's"

A "lesser" car doesn't mean it is intentionally made slower and I never suggested Barrichello would get an intentionally slower car.
I described earlier how Barrichello is treated in an inferior way at Ferrari.

Isn't it interesting that Kapel isn't adding his two cents on this particular subject

Kapel is undergoing a religious ritual which makes this squabble totally irrelevant.

julian mayo wrote:
Kapel is undergoing a religious ritual which makes this squabble totally irrelevant.

Is that what Cricket is

JayVee wrote:

Kapel wrote:Jordan is also cheating!!!!!!
They gave the new car to Monteiro & didnt concentrate on Narain's car at all in Italy!!!!
Y this prefrential treatment towards Monteiro????

BAR is also cheating!!!!
They fitted all the new aero parts to Button's car & poor Sato had to struggle badly in Italy.

I've info on Mclaren & Renault also...but i'm too bored to write it..
Every team tests new parts on 1 car first...i think i dont need to explain tht!!!!

Hey Kapel, have some iced tea instead of that Red Bull

Didn't Karthikeyan lose the toss ? Is he seen around Tendulkar again ?

I thought Sato was actually doing better the Button in Italy

Too bored huh ?

I hope it rains in Belgium (but not on the track )

If it rains on the track, Alonso had best make way for Mark. OR ELSE. ask Schuey

Yes JayVee,with u persisting i shall ...

When Rubens came to Ferrari, he was not in the league of top 5 drivers around(otherwise he wouldnt be there).It was understood between Rubens & the team that the main aim was to win the drivers title which had eluded them since 1979 after they secured the Constructors in 1999.
Rubens on the other hand got being in one of the most historic team,guarentee point finishing positions & odd wins when Michael is struggling.A better pay check,bonus on points & recognition in the F1 world!!
Michael would be the Captain of the ship n unless he has be ruled out mathemathically for drivers championship,he would have a first go at it,Otherwise the concentration would be on the other driver(like 99,where Michael would also help )

Spare Car option will be available for Michael first except Brazil,but the race car shall be equipped with equal tested parts.

julian mayo wrote: If it rains on the track, Alonso had best make way for Mark. OR ELSE. ask Schuey

Now i would like to see tht