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Kapel wrote:I think anti-Michael ppl should start thinking of excuses for this year too..if he takes the lead...rules mayb..hmm..tyres changes..yes

JayVee wrote: At Ferrari he made sure he gets a helper. He's so used to the idea that he can't drive without one these days and that is why I hope Massa is a rebel

Julian Mayo wrote:

Kapel wrote:I think anti-Michael ppl should start thinking of excuses for this year too..if he takes the lead...rules mayb..hmm..tyres changes..yes

Geez Kappy, I have already done that 10 times over

Kapel wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

Kapel wrote:I think anti-Michael ppl should start thinking of excuses for this year too..if he takes the lead...rules mayb..hmm..tyres changes..yes

Geez Kappy, I have already done that 10 times over

Julian, i said for this year..u were talking perhaps for 2007

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote: At Ferrari he made sure he gets a helper. He's so used to the idea that he can't drive without one these days and that is why I hope Massa is a rebel

Ya rgt!!! JayVee, Irvine & Rubens were helpers for Michael???Did They make sure all the other competitors were in the wall or block them throught the race so Michael could win??

Team orders & helpers are 2 different things.At the end of the day one still has to drive the bloody damn car to win the race.(n i would repeat again ,teams orders/PT exist in every team,u can chose to turn a blind eye)

How many races do u need to win the championship???N yes i believe,in your opinion all the races won by Michael in his term in Ferrari has been b'cos of so called "helpers".

Everything ur Cute does is Great n brilliant but yes Michael & any other is someone like that paid Israeli driver who tested for Minardi last year.

Kapel wrote: Ya rgt!!! JayVee, Irvine & Rubens were helpers for Michael???Did They make sure all the other competitors were in the wall or block them throught the race so Michael could win??

Team orders & helpers are 2 different things.At the end of the day one still has to drive the bloody damn car to win the race.(n i would repeat again ,teams orders/PT exist in every team,u can chose to turn a blind eye)

How many races do u need to win the championship???N yes i believe,in your opinion all the races won by Michael in his term in Ferrari has been b'cos of so called "helpers".

Everything ur Cute does is Great n brilliant but yes Michael & any other is someone like that paid Israeli driver who tested for Minardi last year.

Kapel wrote:JayVee,u need get the difference in a helper & team orders rgt in ur dictionary.
N no i dont wanna go thru this agian,but i think u used a wrong term "Helper" which i think is completely unfair.

I've never critised Alonso,he's good but just to praise one's favorite i shall not bring down a veteran,season performer for kicks or out of jealousy/hatred/whatever...

Alonso signing with Mclaren is a brave move & i too hope for good battles in 2007.But if Montoya is his teammate, we shall have another round of debates to fill up this forum

JayVee wrote:
So Michael wasn't "helped" by Barrichello to win in Austria ?

Please show me when I critisised Michael unfairly ?

I think his mishaps or stuff ups last year were not the marks of a world champion. If you don't agree then you are turning a blind eye.

Running into another car going out on the circuit and going off behind a safety car are not mistakes that I can ignored.

I don't deny his driving ability in the past years but those performance will always be tainted and from his performance last year, it looks like he is getting too old.

I still remember Button going off behind the safety car in his debut year I think and everyone had a laugh at that even though he was still a rookie

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote:
So Michael wasn't "helped" by Barrichello to win in Austria ?

Please show me when I critisised Michael unfairly ?

I think his mishaps or stuff ups last year were not the marks of a world champion. If you don't agree then you are turning a blind eye.

Running into another car going out on the circuit and going off behind a safety car are not mistakes that I can ignored.

I don't deny his driving ability in the past years but those performance will always be tainted and from his performance last year, it looks like he is getting too old.

I still remember Button going off behind the safety car in his debut year I think and everyone had a laugh at that even though he was still a rookie

Melbourne '98 & Austria '02 were team orders,which do not make Coutlhard & Rubens helpers nor Michael & Mika less talented.I would still contradict & challenge ur arguement that Michael needs & probably u meant, always needed a helper to win a race since he joined Ferrari.

Oh JayVee,if i remeber,u had these views even before the start of 2005.So dont tell me that the mistakes he made in 2005 accounted to these views.

Agian,i'm sorry, i disagree that last years performance by Michael Schumacher has by any means given any reflection of any fading in his talent.

People like you who dislike him,shall only bring up past performances which has given him a bad name,not one of you can bring up some superb driving abilities shown in many races.

It is so ironic,that Michael critics would emphasis more on him crashing into Hill & then JV for titles,but easily/choose to forget title winning crashes of Senna-Prost for 2 consective years.No one spoke more abt it cos Sadly Senna died.

This i would like to term as .. ..

Kapel wrote: Oh JayVee,if i remeber,u had these views even before the start of 2005.So dont tell me that the mistakes he made in 2005 accounted to these views.

JayVee wrote:
Tell me how many days has Massa tested the new car compared to Michael this year
Name any team that does anything similar to that ratio What do you call that ?
And please don't ignore the question.

JayVee wrote:
The only reason I don't like Michael is because of his dirty tactics no matter how well he performs. It is a matter of principle and I stick to it.
People in his place are role models to others and by playing dirty he sends the wrong message to others.

Guess ppl who are caught are theives.

As for the helper, if Michael doesn't need one then why does Michael pick and choose who his team-mates are ? Why does he insist on a number one status ?

If he has choosen his teammate this year,as helper,its only to keep Sato away.

The Hakkinen/Coulthard agreement was wrong but McLaren proved that it was a one off as Coulthard won in front of Hakkinen at Belgium a year later even though Hakkinen was the one fighting for the title.

A murder is still an offence.

Michael is a repeat offender so don't compare him to Senna who was paying back Prost for what happened a year earlier. Neither Hill nor Villenueve did any nasties to Michael either before or after his dirty playing.

Vow,Payback time is OK for you.Then y not critise Prost,i', sure Senna didnt do any nasties to Prost in the frist place.

BTW: I am not condoning the Prost/Senna incidents but you are clutching at straws to show that others did the same. Well no driver did the number of dirty tactics that Michael did, no driver tried to protect his place in his team like Michael did and no driver got PT in a team like Michael did. He is on his own.

I'm just trying bring to your attention,that for things that u single out Michael for are not invented by him but a normal/tried practise in F1 and for its glory.
Its a way one looks at it.In ur eyes,its dirty tactics cos Michael did it.For me,i hold him in high esteem cos he rejuvenated the entire Ferrari team,the team i always loved , pre-Michael and will always love ,post-Michael.