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Winner: Fernando Alonso

Second: Mark Webber

Third: Kimi Raikkonen

Fourth: Jenson Button

Fifth: Nico Rosberg

Sixth: Giancarlo Fisichella

Seventh: Juan Pablo Montoya

Eighth: Michael Schumacher

Pole: Mark Webber

Hmmm, I have changed my picks, Williams has a "gen 3" engine For the AGP. Alex has given it a flogging and a thumbs up

Winner: Fernando Alonso - BORING!!!!!
Second: Mark Webber - Why not!!
Third: Giancarlo Fisichella - Will nurse the car home in 3rd
Fourth: Kimi Raikkonen - Barn storming run from last on the grid
Fifth: Jenson Button - Poor old JB
Sixth: Nico Rosberg - Will have a dingle early in the race
Seventh: Michael Schumacher - F**ken Ferrari
Eighth: Jacques Villeneuve - Nick Who??

Pole: Mark Webber - Will qualify well & lead them until the 1st pit stops

My picks

Winner : Fernando Alonso (He's the best at the moment)
Second : Kimi Raikkonen (Merc is reliable this time)
Third : Michael Schumacher(He aint gven up yet)
Fourth : Jenson Button(Atleast i'm still in points)
Fifth : Juan Pablo Montoya(I'm trying ok,i've contract to think abt next year)
Sixth : Mark Webber(Again u did that to me Nico)
Seventh : Giancarlo Fisichella(Was preserving the engine)
Eighth : Nico Rosberg(Sorry Mark,promise wont happen again)

Pole : Fernando Alonso (No fuel problem this time)

My picks

Winner : Fernando Alonso (No fuel problem this time)
Second : Kimi Raikkonen (Merc is reliable this time)
Third : Michael Schumacher(He aint gven up yet)
Fourth : Jenson Button(Atleast i'm still in points)
Fifth : Juan Pablo Montoya(I'm trying ok,i've contract to think abt next year)
Sixth : Mark Webber(Again u did that to me Nico)
Seventh : Giancarlo Fisichella(Was preserving the engine)
Eighth : Nico Rosberg(Sorry Mark,promise wont happen again)

Pole : Fernando Alonso (He's the best at the moment)

Kapel wrote:My picks

Winner : Fernando Alonso (He's the best at the moment)

You reckon he'll start from pole too

Bugger, then we won't see another great start where he takes two drivers into turn one

Bundy wrote:Eighth: Jacques Villeneuve - Nick Who??

I couldn't pick him cause of his engine. I suspect he will only last a few laps but I hope you are right.
Anyway, good to see someone putting Villeneuve ahead of Heidfeld. All those rating Heidfeld can now see how good Villeneuve is despite his age .... where are they anyway ? come out and face reality

Damn i forgot to put Massa in it

Will have to include him somewhere

Julian Mayo wrote:

JayVee wrote:Winner: Fernando Alonso - Cause he is the only driver that can take two drivers on the outside with twice the fuel load
Second: Kimi Raikkonen - He will try
Third: Jenson Button - Continues the tradition of being the only points scorer for Honda
Fourth: Giancarlo Fisichella - I was taking care of my engine
Fifth: Juan Pablo Montoya - This is a nice comfy place
Sixth: Mark Webber - Home track advantage
Seventh: Felipe Massa - Again has a great drive after an engine change
Eighth: Nico Rosberg - Only this time mate!
Pole: Fernando Alonso - Will have the correct fuel this time!

Left out Villeneuve cause I don't think his engine will last

You pride yourself on your stats and accuracy.
"Two drivers on the outside"....on the outside of what ? .....oh yes, I remember, the straight, at the start. One driver was trying to bury the other driver in the fence at the time. Young Nico,s ear should have lost most of the impact swelling from SF's hand about now.
Normally I respect your posts, that part is just infammatory rubbish......do not EVER lower yourself to my level.

What I said was completely accurate, he did take two driver on the outside of turn 1. Call it rubbish as many times as you like but it is true.
You don't like what Nico did, I can understand but that isn't Alonso's problem. He saw an opportunity and took it.

Julian Mayo wrote:
There have been how many world champions? Leaving JV aside, and most of us accept that he nearly lost the unloseable WDC ,
How many years did the others take?
eg;
Schuey
Alan Jones
Fittipaldi
The Professor
Jack Brabham
Dennis Hulme
Fangio
Ascari
Jochen Rindt
Guiseppe Farina
Mike Hawthorn
James Hunt
??
A raw figure, not a stat, please

This is way

I don't like raw figures (whatever that means!!). When I get the time, I will dig up the stats for all those you mention and post in a new thread.
But I thought Fangio would be against your argument

I agree with Jay Vee; I don't like "raw" numbers either. If you're making generalizations and you want them to be useful, you have to have some appreciation of statistics. Which actually is a science. And statistics, properly understood, are exceedingly useful things. The fact that folks use "statistical sounding" arguments to sell you things and spin reality to fint their prejudice doesn't say anything useful about statistics. It just reminds us that any devil can quote scripture to his advantage.

And given Kimi's and Jenson's increasingly bad luck, it would be useful to be reminded how long it "generally"takes to win a WDC.

I agree, though, that should be another posting

jim watt

Jim Watt wrote:

I agree with Jay Vee; I don't like "raw" numbers either. If you're making generalizations and you want them to be useful, you have to have some appreciation of statistics. Which actually is a science. And statistics, properly understood, are exceedingly useful things. The fact that folks use "statistical sounding" arguments to sell you things and spin reality to fint their prejudice doesn't say anything useful about statistics. It just reminds us that any devil can quote scripture to his advantage.

And given Kimi's and Jenson's increasingly bad luck, it would be useful to be reminded how long it "generally"takes to win a WDC.

I agree, though, that should be another posting

jim watt

"stats,damned stats, and lies.".......one of your fellas, I think, Jim. One that the rest of the world quite admired?

Incidentally, only 2 Australians have won a GP in the last 50 years.
That is a raw statistic.

Jim Watt wrote:

I agree with Jay Vee; I don't like "raw" numbers either. If you're making generalizations and you want them to be useful, you have to have some appreciation of statistics. Which actually is a science. And statistics, properly understood, are exceedingly useful things. The fact that folks use "statistical sounding" arguments to sell you things and spin reality to fint their prejudice doesn't say anything useful about statistics. It just reminds us that any devil can quote scripture to his advantage.

And given Kimi's and Jenson's increasingly bad luck, it would be useful to be reminded how long it "generally"takes to win a WDC.

I agree, though, that should be another posting

jim watt

Jim,
the thing that really worries me about stats is this.
When, albeit reluctantly, studying the mongrel subject I put to the lecturer a hypothesis.
I fire 100 rounds at the Lecturer, one kills the Lecturer.
The Lecturer has a, statiscally speaking, 99% probability of being alive. But the first shot killed the lecturer.

Sigh, booted from yet another class. I am running out of Universities.

Winner: Jenson Button
Second: Fernando Alonso
Third: Kimi Raikkonen
Fourth: Giancarlo Fisichella
Fifth: Juan Pablo Montoya
Sixth: Michael Schumacher
Seventh: Nico Rosberg
Eighth: Felipe Massa

Pole: Jenson Button

You never know what's roound the corner