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Julian Mayo wrote:

Snowy wrote:Good for F1 bad for motorsport. Thank goodness we have MotoGP. Unless of course Max and Bernie get their hands on it and turn it into tricycle racing. After all it would have to be cheaper and safer wouldn't it?

There are too many Australians with 12 gauges in MotoGP. I can see it noww..........."comeon Maxie, old mate, pal, cobber,..lets go way out into the Northern Territory, and do a bit of pig shooting.....bang ......oooops

Maybe its not such a bad idea then

gkaytaz wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:Toyota have quit the GPMA.

So, that leaves Mercedes, BMW and Honda alongside Renault in the GPMA body. Considering Renault's track record I'd say there are only three members left anyway. I hate to see the power struggle between FIA and GPMA bring harm upon F1. It's high time FIA and GPMA resolve their differences and start working for the good of Formula 1.

yup

It's said that Toyota will continue supporting F1 by supplying engines for Midland and Williams. Being out of GPMA, and not siding with FIA, yet supplying engines to two teams plus Toyota's own F1 team... Quite a job.

Would I be too wrong to assume that that roughly translates to Toyota exiting the F1 scene as a racing team following the engine freeze and remain a supplier instead?

What do y'all think?

gkaytaz wrote:It's said that Toyota will continue supporting F1 by supplying engines for Midland and Williams. Being out of GPMA, and not siding with FIA, yet supplying engines to two teams plus Toyota's own F1 team... Quite a job.

Would I be too wrong to assume that that roughly translates to Toyota exiting the F1 scene as a racing team following the engine freeze and remain a supplier instead?

What do y'all think?

That may depend on how successful Williams/toyota is

Julian Mayo wrote:

gkaytaz wrote:It's said that Toyota will continue supporting F1 by supplying engines for Midland and Williams. Being out of GPMA, and not siding with FIA, yet supplying engines to two teams plus Toyota's own F1 team... Quite a job.

Would I be too wrong to assume that that roughly translates to Toyota exiting the F1 scene as a racing team following the engine freeze and remain a supplier instead?

What do y'all think?

That may depend on how successful Williams/toyota is

Very "diplomatic" answer

As far as I know their current contract has them supply engines to Williams for three years. And I think they will honor that contract. So, which one would it be?

* The success of Williams/Toyota collaboration will prompt the exit of Toyota as a racing team and their conversion to supplier-only,

* Such a success will encourage Toyota to stay in the fray and maintain the racing outfit until 2012.

gkaytaz wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

gkaytaz wrote:It's said that Toyota will continue supporting F1 by supplying engines for Midland and Williams. Being out of GPMA, and not siding with FIA, yet supplying engines to two teams plus Toyota's own F1 team... Quite a job.

Would I be too wrong to assume that that roughly translates to Toyota exiting the F1 scene as a racing team following the engine freeze and remain a supplier instead?

What do y'all think?

That may depend on how successful Williams/toyota is

Very "diplomatic" answer

As far as I know their current contract has them supply engines to Williams for three years. And I think they will honor that contract. So, which one would it be?

* The success of Williams/Toyota collaboration will prompt the exit of Toyota as a racing team and their conversion to supplier-only,

* Such a success will encourage Toyota to stay in the fray and maintain the racing outfit until 2012.

Well, Peter, I guess it depends how honorable the gentry at Toyota are.
If Willliams develops a successful chassis in conjunction with the Japanese tyre supplier, will they stein and take control, leaving SF to say
"I fallded in the Water...you dirty rotten shcwine"

Julian Mayo wrote:
Well, Peter, I guess it depends how honorable the gentry at Toyota are.
If Willliams develops a successful chassis in conjunction with the Japanese tyre supplier, will they stein and take control, leaving SF to say
"I fallded in the Water...you dirty rotten shcwine"

True. The definition of honor differs considerably when it comes to business world Gotta look at the other side of the medallion too though: I think if Williams fail again to do a good job, SF might feel like "having received a beump on the head" and jump ship before Toyota.

gkaytaz wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:
Well, Peter, I guess it depends how honorable the gentry at Toyota are.
If Willliams develops a successful chassis in conjunction with the Japanese tyre supplier, will they stein and take control, leaving SF to say
"I fallded in the Water...you dirty rotten shcwine"

True. The definition of honor differs considerably when it comes to business world Gotta look at the other side of the medallion too though: I think if Williams fail again to do a good job, SF might feel like "having received a beump on the head" and jump ship before Toyota.

Hullo
I am Eccles,hyuh,hyuh

In that case he will have little to do, but rally his troops, and set sail for France in a Grand Piano.Only if winds are "light to variable" tho

Destination...Renault, and the Evil Moriarty

I doubt that Toyota will exit F1 as a team before achieving their aims. They have one of the most advanced facilities in F1 and seem to have an unlimited budget!!
And didn't they just sign Trulli for another 3 years anyway ?

Looking at the way Williams are going, it will take them years to get back to the top or near it and that will need a lot of hard work and an excellent team otherwise they are on their way out like Jordan and Arrows sadly

JayVee wrote:I doubt that Toyota will exit F1 as a team before achieving their aims. They have one of the most advanced facilities in F1 and seem to have an unlimited budget!!
And didn't they just sign Trulli for another 3 years anyway ?

Ralf too. But we are talking about a factory team here, and I am not entirely sure if the management will tolerate another batch of average results. Especially now that Honda has won it must have put more pressure on Toyota. They are good but seem to lack that little extra which would put them high in the running. I'd love to see them improve and become a constructors title contender. Hopefully the big bosses will have enough patience.

JayVee wrote:Looking at the way Williams are going, it will take them years to get back to the top or near it and that will need a lot of hard work and an excellent team otherwise they are on their way out like Jordan and Arrows sadly

Yeah, that'd be a real pity. They managed to scare away a number of suppliers to date. Toyota might just be the last straw.

The FIA and the Formula 1 teams including the manufacturers (including those in the GPMA) have agreed on a number of major issues concerning Formula 1 from 2007 and beyond.

In a meeting held on the 18th of September, all parties reached a unanimous agreement on the following:

- the FIA to prepare draft regulations for the recovery and reuse of energy for introduction in 2009;
- the Manufacturers to prepare draft regulations for devices to use waste heat and exhaust gases to assist the engines in propelling the cars;
- that the objective of all new Formula One regulations should be to maintain F1 as the pinnacle of motor sport and to satisfy at least one of the following criteria: to improve the show, to improve cost effectiveness, to improve safety, to promote technology relevant to society at large, to facilitate brand recognition;
- establishment of a Working Group to discuss means to restrict the use of wind tunnels, simulators (test rigs), simulations and where appropriate, the numbers of personnel;
- that the 2008 regulation restricting testing to 30,000 km per team should also apply in 2007 by voluntary agreement;

Subject to World Motor Sport Council approval:

- a number of detailed changes to the 2008 Technical regulations;
- to defer the introduction of new aerodynamic regulations from 2008 until 2009 to allow the FIA, in co-operation with the F1 teams, to optimise new bodywork designs.

Subject to Formula One Commission and World Motor Sport Council approval:

- homologated engine regulations already in force for 2008 to apply for 2007. The homologated engine to be that used at the 2006 Japanese Grand Prix, subject to retuning for a maximum of 19,000 rpm. Full details of the retuning to be submitted to the FIA no later than December 15, 2006, and the definitive engine to be delivered by March 1, 2007.
- 18 races to be held in 2007.

At the World Motor Sport Council meeting on the 18th of October, a number of changes to the 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations were approved.

FIA ECU to be fitted for all testing in addition to races.

A 10 place grid penalty will be issued for an engine change, as opposed to a weight penalty.

A five place grid penalty will be issued for a gearbox change, as opposed to a weight penalty.

Gear ratios may be changed once per race under supervision.

Damaged gear ratios and dog rings may be changed without penalty provided it is evident physical damage has not been made deliberately.

Ed, am I right in thinking that no penalty applies to an engine failure on the Friday ?

Whilst penalising a driver for a mechanical failure isn't very fair, by removing the weight penalty the FIA are not contradicting themselves by wanting to minimise ballast as a safety measure yet adding it as a penalty!

The meeting also approved Ferrari's request to supply 2 teams in 2008.

Julian Mayo wrote:Ed, am I right in thinking that no penalty applies to an engine failure on the Friday ?

I suspect that the Saturday and Sunday engines will be the FIA sealed ones while those used on Friday won't be. Teams will be busy on Friday afternoon changing engines but that isn't too much of a problem. Just a few years ago most teams used to qualify on special engines (meaning 2 engine changes at least!)