Michael Schumacher wins ahead of Felipe Massa.
Raikkonen is 3rd ahead of Button, Alonso, Fisichella, Trulli and Klien
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The 2006 German Formula 1 Grand Prix
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I feel sorry for Webster & Chello....they were having great races....
I reckon that Massa could've taken the lead on three occasions during that race.....
He was very clever in the post race interviews, if I am not mistaken he said something along the lines of "I am getting quite used to being on the podium, just never on the top step but my time wil come"
If Trulli can get some points from where he started down the grid, I would like to know why Ralph, who started 8th, cant manage to keep it in the points?? ........Maybe that Super Aguri drive looks promising
My driver of the day was Webber until he retired...
Lets hope Renault are back on it in Hungary
I reckon that Massa could've taken the lead on three occasions during that race.....
He was very clever in the post race interviews, if I am not mistaken he said something along the lines of "I am getting quite used to being on the podium, just never on the top step but my time wil come"
If Trulli can get some points from where he started down the grid, I would like to know why Ralph, who started 8th, cant manage to keep it in the points?? ........Maybe that Super Aguri drive looks promising
My driver of the day was Webber until he retired...
Lets hope Renault are back on it in Hungary
Michael Schumacher and Felipe Massa dominated the race today. The Ferrari package was simply superior and reminded us of the 2004 season in which Ferrari dominated.
Kimi Raikkonen managed 3rd despite having a very long 1st stop. He drove well and did some overtaking to get back into 3rd.
Jenson Button finished 4th and considering the form of Honda and Button in the last few races, this was a good result.
Alonso and Fisichella in 5th and 6th! That was a dissapointing result for Renault. Not only was Ferrari much faster but a McLaren and a Honda were faster and they use the same tyre. Webber would have also finished ahead of them had he not retired.
Trulli did well to finish 7th after starting from 21st while Klien scored a point for Red Bull.
Webber had a good chance of finishing on the podium but once again his car failed him.
Barrichello and de la Rosa were also victims of car failures and may have had a chance at scoring some points.
There was a fair bit of overtaking too!
Your thoughts and the driver of the day ?
Kimi Raikkonen managed 3rd despite having a very long 1st stop. He drove well and did some overtaking to get back into 3rd.
Jenson Button finished 4th and considering the form of Honda and Button in the last few races, this was a good result.
Alonso and Fisichella in 5th and 6th! That was a dissapointing result for Renault. Not only was Ferrari much faster but a McLaren and a Honda were faster and they use the same tyre. Webber would have also finished ahead of them had he not retired.
Trulli did well to finish 7th after starting from 21st while Klien scored a point for Red Bull.
Webber had a good chance of finishing on the podium but once again his car failed him.
Barrichello and de la Rosa were also victims of car failures and may have had a chance at scoring some points.
There was a fair bit of overtaking too!
Your thoughts and the driver of the day ?
Mark Webber did a really good job, Williams and Ford should be ashamed of themselves 
Jenson overtook both Renaults in one lap and should have got the podium but his third set of tyres were poor 
But you've got to hand it to him he was very racey for a change and made me want to watch the rest of the race.
I still don't understand why Bernice doesn't get a single person to direct the tv coverage for all GP's. The coverage was diplorable today.
Jenson overtook both Renaults in one lap and should have got the podium but his third set of tyres were poor But you've got to hand it to him he was very racey for a change and made me want to watch the rest of the race. I still don't understand why Bernice doesn't get a single person to direct the tv coverage for all GP's. The coverage was diplorable today.
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Lets hope Renault are back on it in Hungary [/quote]
It will be almost imposible...
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The Suspicious Stink of F1
Opinion: It's difficult to concentrate on Winners and Losers when there's such a strong smell of suspicion coming from the FIA's technical delegate.
It's a bit like sitting down to watch a film you've been looking forward to and finding that a piggery has moved next door. Charlie Whiting's move to ban the Renault damping system so pivotal to their set-up makes me mega suspicious - and trying to focus on the German GP has been hard given such a rank smell.
The fact is that Renault will have shown their damping system to him before they put it on the car; it has reportedly been on the car since Brazil 2005, and only now - with the F1 Championship delicately poised - does he decide to ban it. It raises huge questions over either his competency or raises the possibility of connivance within the FIA.
If the system was illegal then it should have been banned straight away. If it was illegal and he failed to spot it for nine months then clearly he is not up to the job.
Whiting's ban was undermined by the fact that the FIA's own race stewards could see nothing wrong with the Renault system.
The timing is very suspicious, coming so soon after the French GP when Fernando Alonso snatched an unlikely second place. Perhaps something needed to be done to put a bigger gap between Schumacher and Alonso if Schumi is to win the 2006 Championship.
Exactly the same thing happened in 2003 when after the Hungarian GP it looked like the 2003 season was getting away from the Scuderia. All of a sudden Max Mosley was announcing that there was a problem with the shoulder of the Michelin tyre and the tyre rules were tightened up to benefit Bridgestone. Embarrassingly for the FIA, Mosley said they hadn't been influenced by anybody and then subsequently Ross Brawn admitted that they had told the FIA about it and that Max had flown down to Maranello the next day.
That stank too.
Maybe it is just coincidental that it came now and we are being overly critical. Only complete transparency will rid us of our doubts. What the FIA need to do now is print a full report. We need to know:
a) Why did Whiting ban the system now?
b) Was he prompted by another team - and if so, who?
I concur 100%
[/quote]It will be almost imposible...
Copied from Planet-F1.com:
The Suspicious Stink of F1
Opinion: It's difficult to concentrate on Winners and Losers when there's such a strong smell of suspicion coming from the FIA's technical delegate.
It's a bit like sitting down to watch a film you've been looking forward to and finding that a piggery has moved next door. Charlie Whiting's move to ban the Renault damping system so pivotal to their set-up makes me mega suspicious - and trying to focus on the German GP has been hard given such a rank smell.
The fact is that Renault will have shown their damping system to him before they put it on the car; it has reportedly been on the car since Brazil 2005, and only now - with the F1 Championship delicately poised - does he decide to ban it. It raises huge questions over either his competency or raises the possibility of connivance within the FIA.
If the system was illegal then it should have been banned straight away. If it was illegal and he failed to spot it for nine months then clearly he is not up to the job.
Whiting's ban was undermined by the fact that the FIA's own race stewards could see nothing wrong with the Renault system.
The timing is very suspicious, coming so soon after the French GP when Fernando Alonso snatched an unlikely second place. Perhaps something needed to be done to put a bigger gap between Schumacher and Alonso if Schumi is to win the 2006 Championship.
Exactly the same thing happened in 2003 when after the Hungarian GP it looked like the 2003 season was getting away from the Scuderia. All of a sudden Max Mosley was announcing that there was a problem with the shoulder of the Michelin tyre and the tyre rules were tightened up to benefit Bridgestone. Embarrassingly for the FIA, Mosley said they hadn't been influenced by anybody and then subsequently Ross Brawn admitted that they had told the FIA about it and that Max had flown down to Maranello the next day.
That stank too.
Maybe it is just coincidental that it came now and we are being overly critical. Only complete transparency will rid us of our doubts. What the FIA need to do now is print a full report. We need to know:
a) Why did Whiting ban the system now?
b) Was he prompted by another team - and if so, who?
I concur 100%
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It will be almost imposible...coronado wrote:Lets hope Renault are back on it in Hungary
Copied from Planet-F1.com:
The Suspicious Stink of F1
Opinion: It's difficult to concentrate on Winners and Losers when there's such a strong smell of suspicion coming from the FIA's technical delegate.
It's a bit like sitting down to watch a film you've been looking forward to and finding that a piggery has moved next door. Charlie Whiting's move to ban the Renault damping system so pivotal to their set-up makes me mega suspicious - and trying to focus on the German GP has been hard given such a rank smell.
The fact is that Renault will have shown their damping system to him before they put it on the car; it has reportedly been on the car since Brazil 2005, and only now - with the F1 Championship delicately poised - does he decide to ban it. It raises huge questions over either his competency or raises the possibility of connivance within the FIA.
If the system was illegal then it should have been banned straight away. If it was illegal and he failed to spot it for nine months then clearly he is not up to the job.
Whiting's ban was undermined by the fact that the FIA's own race stewards could see nothing wrong with the Renault system.
The timing is very suspicious, coming so soon after the French GP when Fernando Alonso snatched an unlikely second place. Perhaps something needed to be done to put a bigger gap between Schumacher and Alonso if Schumi is to win the 2006 Championship.
Exactly the same thing happened in 2003 when after the Hungarian GP it looked like the 2003 season was getting away from the Scuderia. All of a sudden Max Mosley was announcing that there was a problem with the shoulder of the Michelin tyre and the tyre rules were tightened up to benefit Bridgestone. Embarrassingly for the FIA, Mosley said they hadn't been influenced by anybody and then subsequently Ross Brawn admitted that they had told the FIA about it and that Max had flown down to Maranello the next day.
That stank too.
Maybe it is just coincidental that it came now and we are being overly critical. Only complete transparency will rid us of our doubts. What the FIA need to do now is print a full report. We need to know:
a) Why did Whiting ban the system now?
b) Was he prompted by another team - and if so, who?
I concur 100%[/quote]
Uh Oh
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Its hard to get into the points when someone keeps getting in the way. This time it was that bloody DC who had the temerity to put his car on the same race track as poor Ralf. Unfortunately Webbo is going to have to come from last on the grid and win, every race, and the WDC, twice, perhaps thrice, before some people will acknowledge that he is actually quick..<T-K> wrote:I feel sorry for Webster & Chello....they were having great races....
I reckon that Massa could've taken the lead on three occasions during that race.....
He was very clever in the post race interviews, if I am not mistaken he said something along the lines of "I am getting quite used to being on the podium, just never on the top step but my time wil come"
If Trulli can get some points from where he started down the grid, I would like to know why Ralph, who started 8th, cant manage to keep it in the points?? ........Maybe that Super Aguri drive looks promising
My driver of the day was Webber until he retired...
Lets hope Renault are back on it in Hungary
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.
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I enjoyed that race even though Alonso only came 5th.
There was plenty of overtaking and lots of on track fights. It is clear that Bridgestone have an edge now or Michelin have dropped the ball. It seems their different sets behaved differently as every Michelin driver had problems on one set or another!!
Raikkonen was impressive and he was my driver of the day. He did plenty of overtaking and pushed to get back into 3rd.
Button was impressive too especially in the early part of the race.
Webber was also impressive and it is a pity that he had to retire. Like many though as he did overtake, he was overtaken too. That is what happens on this kind of track when you have different fuel loads.
Ralf deserves a mention, he gets going after stuffing up his race and others. Then you'll see him fighting - for nothing I might add!
Don't know what is happening at Renault! It can't be just the tyres, maybe it is this thing they were told to remove, don't know. All I know is that they will fight back.
Now of course you'll start to see those Ferrari fans comeout from where they were hiding. Typical isn't it 
There was plenty of overtaking and lots of on track fights. It is clear that Bridgestone have an edge now or Michelin have dropped the ball. It seems their different sets behaved differently as every Michelin driver had problems on one set or another!!
Raikkonen was impressive and he was my driver of the day. He did plenty of overtaking and pushed to get back into 3rd.
Button was impressive too especially in the early part of the race.
Webber was also impressive and it is a pity that he had to retire. Like many though as he did overtake, he was overtaken too. That is what happens on this kind of track when you have different fuel loads.
Ralf deserves a mention, he gets going after stuffing up his race and others. Then you'll see him fighting - for nothing I might add!
Don't know what is happening at Renault! It can't be just the tyres, maybe it is this thing they were told to remove, don't know. All I know is that they will fight back.
Now of course you'll start to see those Ferrari fans comeout from where they were hiding. Typical isn't it
I'm back and yes supporting Alonso "The Cute" in the Ferrari!
something stinks
Stink..
While I follow the ferrai clan I'm just as curious about the changes to Renault etc etc..and the way this one happened seemingly at an opportune time..that might have aided all other cars as well as the Maranello Men..
If ya going to win, win fairly, not by what appear to be unusual decisions that based on precedent shouldn't happen..and may it appears have been influenced by powerful groups...highly Sus IMO
Raikkonen,Webber and Button excellent drives.
While I follow the ferrai clan I'm just as curious about the changes to Renault etc etc..and the way this one happened seemingly at an opportune time..that might have aided all other cars as well as the Maranello Men..
If ya going to win, win fairly, not by what appear to be unusual decisions that based on precedent shouldn't happen..and may it appears have been influenced by powerful groups...highly Sus IMO
Raikkonen,Webber and Button excellent drives.
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I suppose MICHAELs excellence is so self-understanding that nobody bothers to mention his performance. FELIPE actually drove very well, even if you take in account the superior package, he looks on the same level as did RUBENS.
Re.the banning of the RENAULT mass dampers by Charlie Whiting in order to help FERRARI, well to call this a conspiracy theory would be exaggarated - man, this is utter nonsense made up of a fraction of all known(and more of some unknown) facts. By the way I may quote FERNANDO who said like "I dont feel a difference to be honest"(with/out mass dampers). Chapeau to his statement and also his expressed fighting spirit for the remaining season.
The packages are developed at fierce speed, a Hockenheim MF1 would probably have beaten a Bahrain RENAULT! Look at MCLAREN, WILLIAMS, HONDA and TOYOTA who have all fallen way behind after a promising start to the season only to come back strongly in the recent GP(s). Not all of them are on Bridgestones.....Why did MCLAREN and HONDA use the soft compound MICHELINs at Hockenheim and RENAULT chose the harder type? Shall we call this the decisive error?
Re.the banning of the RENAULT mass dampers by Charlie Whiting in order to help FERRARI, well to call this a conspiracy theory would be exaggarated - man, this is utter nonsense made up of a fraction of all known(and more of some unknown) facts. By the way I may quote FERNANDO who said like "I dont feel a difference to be honest"(with/out mass dampers). Chapeau to his statement and also his expressed fighting spirit for the remaining season.
The packages are developed at fierce speed, a Hockenheim MF1 would probably have beaten a Bahrain RENAULT! Look at MCLAREN, WILLIAMS, HONDA and TOYOTA who have all fallen way behind after a promising start to the season only to come back strongly in the recent GP(s). Not all of them are on Bridgestones.....Why did MCLAREN and HONDA use the soft compound MICHELINs at Hockenheim and RENAULT chose the harder type? Shall we call this the decisive error?
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Ron Dennis mentioned that his suspension system achieves just about everything Renault's mass damper does. Does that mean it is illegal? (as well as tyres and brakes which are also moving parts that effect the aerodynamic balance of the car) Oh and brake balance control that affects the areodynamic balance of the car under braking. Oh and the whole car moves and effects the areodynamics, so actually under that rule the whole car is illegal! isn't it 
I wouldn't blame Charley we all know who's behind this foul smellling pile of manure.
Max Satan-Mosley.
(as well as tyres and brakes which are also moving parts that effect the aerodynamic balance of the car) Oh and brake balance control that affects the areodynamic balance of the car under braking. Oh and the whole car moves and effects the areodynamics, so actually under that rule the whole car is illegal! isn't it I wouldn't blame Charley we all know who's behind this foul smellling pile of manure.
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