The 2007 Canadian Grand Prix

[RE30B#16]

I wasn't upset or offended. I thought it was a great way to say Alonso screwed up by creating the image of Alonso racing himself and late braking both "selfs" into the sand trap!

RE, Snowy was not directing this at you, 'twas me and if you read the section on motogp you will know why.

No no please! I wasn't directing it at you Jacfan everyone takes offense at what I say honestly! I don't mean to be offensive, I actually go out of my way to appear benign and cuddly but I guess I just am offensive. Can't you tell how much effort I put into not being irritating? I could overwhelm this thread and the entire forum with my admiration for Lewis Hamilton but I like to believe I have tempered those urges and discussed other things. Damn! and then I go and spoil it all by saying I lo' . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Frank and Nancy! Nice!

[Snowy]

I don't suppose any body is interested but I'd just like to say that Lewis Hamilton is doing a really good job despite his team constantly favouring his team mate with lighter fuel loads. It would appear that Lewis was again fueled for three to four laps further than Fernando in Canada! That's six races in a row where he has had to qualify with more fuel!

I suppose we shall just have to content ourselves with the Championship lead and our own self belief until the team deems it is time to treat us equatibly

Perhaps the rational behind it is that Lewis is that much quicker we stand a better chance of locking out the front row.

[GhoGho]

I don't suppose any body is interested but I'd just like to say that Lewis Hamilton is doing a really good job despite his team constantly favouring his team mate with lighter fuel loads. It would appear that Lewis was again fueled for three to four laps further than Fernando in Canada! That's six races in a row where he has had to qualify with more fuel!

I suppose we shall just have to content ourselves with the Championship lead and our own self belief until the team deems it is time to treat us equatibly

Perhaps the rational behind it is that Lewis is that much quicker we stand a better chance of locking out the front row.

This is because Ron is favouring Lewis!

Alonso said so in a recent interview "This is an English team, with an English team-mate. You know that all of the help goes his way"
So this means that they short fueled Sweet FA knowing the safety car would come out and mess up his race

You can read the full article here http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/06/ ... _hamilton/

I find it hard to believe that any team would be shortsighted enough to run their cars so close to empty that they couldn't do an extra lap at safety car pace should the need arise.

[Redhead]

Lighter fuel loads arent necessarily an advantage. If you think you are quicker then you can put in a bit more fuel then even if you dont get pole you can just pootle around behind them until they pit and then put in a couple of blinders while they are on a heavy fuel load and bingo. More fuel = more strategy options.

I do think they nobbled Lewis with a big fuel difference in Monaco to give sweet FA an advantage to get pole which at that place more than any other translates to a win. But I am not passing moral judgement here, its their call, its a long way from team orders.

If Lewis had more fuel in Canada why did he come in first?

I think we should take everything we read right now about the relationship between Lewis and sweet FA with a very large grain of salt. The british press are mongrels and they have their sights firmly set on sweet FA, they are going to distort everything he says. Some guttersnipe puts something in print and then the "respectable" press start pumping out the articles saying "It has been reported ......."

Having said that if things go on like this it is going to get very tense and interesting between them. But that will only be at the business end of the season and anything could happen between now and then. The story has changed nearly every race this year so theres no reason to expect that wont continue.

[Julian Mayo]

Lighter fuel loads arent necessarily an advantage. If you think you are quicker then you can put in a bit more fuel then even if you dont get pole you can just pootle around behind them until they pit and then put in a couple of blinders while they are on a heavy fuel load and bingo. More fuel = more strategy options.

I do think they nobbled Lewis with a big fuel difference in Monaco to give sweet FA an advantage to get pole which at that place more than any other translates to a win. But I am not passing moral judgement here, its their call, its a long way from team orders.

If Lewis had more fuel in Canada why did he come in first?

I think we should take everything we read right now about the relationship between Lewis and sweet FA with a very large grain of salt. The british press are mongrels and they have their sights firmly set on sweet FA, they are going to distort everything he says. Some guttersnipe puts something in print and then the "respectable" press start pumping out the articles saying "It has been reported ......."

Having said that if things go on like this it is going to get very tense and interesting between them. But that will only be at the business end of the season and anything could happen between now and then. The story has changed nearly every race this year so theres no reason to expect that wont continue.

I concur 8)Except,
The British press are not mongrels tho'....I own two, and am very fond of them.
How about..."biased, corrupt, distortinate, immoral, lying, guttersnipes...."?
Surely it is common sense to have both drivers on different fuel strategies, to take advantage of differing scenarios as the race unfolds....tis a bit hard to service both cars at the same time

[Redhead]

Lighter fuel loads arent necessarily an advantage. If you think you are quicker then you can put in a bit more fuel then even if you dont get pole you can just pootle around behind them until they pit and then put in a couple of blinders while they are on a heavy fuel load and bingo. More fuel = more strategy options.

I do think they nobbled Lewis with a big fuel difference in Monaco to give sweet FA an advantage to get pole which at that place more than any other translates to a win. But I am not passing moral judgement here, its their call, its a long way from team orders.

If Lewis had more fuel in Canada why did he come in first?

I think we should take everything we read right now about the relationship between Lewis and sweet FA with a very large grain of salt. The british press are mongrels and they have their sights firmly set on sweet FA, they are going to distort everything he says. Some guttersnipe puts something in print and then the "respectable" press start pumping out the articles saying "It has been reported ......."

Having said that if things go on like this it is going to get very tense and interesting between them. But that will only be at the business end of the season and anything could happen between now and then. The story has changed nearly every race this year so theres no reason to expect that wont continue.

I concur 8)Except,
The British press are not mongrels tho'....I own two, and am very fond of them.

My apologies to your hounds, I totally understand if they have taken extreme offense, I only hope they don't bite , but in any case I will avoid swimming around your way for a while.

How about..."biased, corrupt, distortinate, immoral, lying, guttersnipes...."?

Um . . . Yeah . . . . that would be about right

Surely it is common sense to have both drivers on different fuel strategies, to take advantage of differing scenarios as the race unfolds....tis a bit hard to service both cars at the same time

Yes they probably should be at least one lap different!

[rah]

Doesn't the driver have some say as to what strategy he is on?

[Julian Mayo]

Doesn't the driver have some say as to what strategy he is on?

Nup.

[Kapel]

Doesn't the driver have some say as to what strategy he is on?

Nup.

isnt there a lucky draw for the drivers for picking the optimum one?

[Julian Mayo]

Doesn't the driver have some say as to what strategy he is on?

Nup.

isnt there a lucky draw for the drivers for picking the optimum one?

Only on their birthdays

[Kapel]

Nup.

isnt there a lucky draw for the drivers for picking the optimum one?

Only on their birthdays

Ah...N the best equipment??
Home GP?

[Snowy]

I thought Lewis was on a lighter fuel load in Canada, however it turns out that he was called into the pits early as a reaction to Nick pitting. Lewis believed he had fuel for four more laps. The team said they called Lewis in early to ensure he didn't lose time or track position to Nick. Fernando had to pit when he did. So I say again, Lewis has qualified his car with more fuel at every race this season, six out of six races. Either the drivers and engineers get to choose (in some kind of alternating arrangement) and Lewis and his engineer have opted for more fuel when it was their turn to call, or Fernando is being given first call. Take your pick. I think it's the second and I'm ok with it as long as Lewis is ok with it and he keeps leading the Championship!

[JayVee]

Good post Redhead

The media will keep confusing people as they confuse themselves!

Now I looked at the McLaren website for the race report and I noticed something interesting: Both drivers were on two-stop strategies. Lewis came in on laps 22 (9 seconds) and 48 (6 seconds) whilst Fernando made his stops on laps 23 (7.8 seconds) and 53 (5.7 seconds).

Hamilton pitted earlier and put more fuel in than Alonso who pitted a lap later and put less fuel. Hard to beleive that Hamilton had 4 more laps still in his car.

Besides, why would he re-act to Heidfeld ? He is getting lighter so the gap would increase.

And all this nonsense about a heavier fuel load, ok I thought it was obvious that if one has a heavier fuel load they have a good chance of passing when the car ahead which is lighter pits a few laps early. Being on a heavier load actually gives you an advatnage if you know how to execute it.

So can you please be pleasant Snowy and stop complaining and stop looking for every bit of trash media arcticles and complain. Enjoy the moment instead and share Hamilton's happiness.
And be happy that Hamilton is in a team that is giving him a real chance, a fair chance.

I predicted a very close Alonso - Hamilton battle next year, it looks like the battle has started already. Lets enjoy being part of it.

[gkaytaz]

I predicted a very close Alonso - Hamilton battle next year, it looks like the battle has started already. Lets enjoy being part of it.

I wish for a tougher battle between Hamilton-Alonso-Massa-Raikkonen-Heidfeld-Bourdais next year