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All very valid points JayVee and well articulated. Some people around here just want to sling off at anyone that is not in a red car.

jacfan wrote:All very valid points JayVee and well articulated. Some people around here just want to sling off at anyone that is not in a red car.

Not me. I just sling off at one bloke in a red car. And if i am feeling a tad hormonal his brother gets a serve as well

JayVee wrote:Anyone notice Raikkonen crashing into Liuzzi ? How similar is that to that other driver crashing into Coulthard years ago ?

Anyone noticed the different reactions from Kimi and that other driver ?

For those who don't remember, that other driver accused Coulthard of trying to kill him, yes kill him

Raikkonen was as always cool and described it as a racing incident.

Really, I thought the press release that McLaren sent out said that Liuzzi slowed down and Kimi had nowhere to go. Mind you that was bollocks and it was all Kimi's fault. At least he admitted it to Liuzzi afterwards.

jacfan wrote:All very valid points JayVee and well articulated. Some people around here just want to sling off at anyone that is not in a red car.

Yeah and some people want to sling off at anyone in a red car.

rah wrote:

jacfan wrote:All very valid points JayVee and well articulated. Some people around here just want to sling off at anyone that is not in a red car.

Yeah and some people want to sling off at anyone in a red car.

Not anyone, I thinnk Massa is good

rah wrote:

jacfan wrote:All very valid points JayVee and well articulated. Some people around here just want to sling off at anyone that is not in a red car.

Yeah and some people want to sling off at anyone in a red car.

i concur

Any driver/team does he same mistakes gets scots free in this forum but nothing in Red.Wait for hell to fall on Massa soon(In case even if there's a racing accident between him & Alonso)

Anything illegal on any car is hardly discussed with accusation,but not with the reds

I call this being BIASED & JEALOUS

JayVee wrote:Huh ? Poor Doornbos, well that poor Doornbos should look in his mirrors more often!

Ofcourse he should,Alonso the great is behind in practise,no racing,& Doornbos u must practise to let the great go cos u r a backmarker in practise too

JayVee wrote: Anyway, he got a penalty and copped it. He didn't complain and got on with the job and in the end could have won the race.

Cos it was his fault.No right to complain.Sorry "Could" doesnt count in F1

JayVee wrote: Had he done that and gotten away with it then you can about being champion.

I meant abt showing himself to the poor guy"do u know who's the boss"style

JayVee wrote: Now it is your turn:
Howcome no1 commented on Michael's dangerous driving passing cars under the RED FLAG

And yes he did get penalised but he is such a loser that he can't take full blame he goes and blames Alonso for slowing down Hullo the session was STOPPED, of course you would slow down.

Rgt cos its ur driver, u wanna side him for slowing down to stand still,cos he cant do anything wrong.Red Flag doesnt mean stopping on track & yes Alonso does watch his mirrors,seeing Michael behind him & knowing he was under penalty,played a tactical game to penalised Michael too..Well when Alonso does this its fair & when Michael tries some tactical moves..its unsporting...BIASED

rah wrote:

JayVee wrote:Anyone notice Raikkonen crashing into Liuzzi ? How similar is that to that other driver crashing into Coulthard years ago ?

Anyone noticed the different reactions from Kimi and that other driver ?

For those who don't remember, that other driver accused Coulthard of trying to kill him, yes kill him

Raikkonen was as always cool and described it as a racing incident.

Really, I thought the press release that McLaren sent out said that Liuzzi slowed down and Kimi had nowhere to go. Mind you that was bollocks and it was all Kimi's fault. At least he admitted it to Liuzzi afterwards.

From what I heard it was that Kimi was at that moment looking in his mirrors to see if Pedro was going to make a move up the inside, and therefore could not see Liuzzi slowing down....and we all know what happened next...

Basically a racing incident.

jacfan wrote:Basically a racing incident.

Exacataly......and did they try and slice each others heads off........no.....because (and I may be very very wrong here, so someone please correct me if I am wrong) but Sometimes, on very very rare occasions in Racing, and i mean that this may just happen....but two cars crash into each other ........its just the way it goes.....

Re.the penalties for FERNANDO and MICHAEL, I think they were fair.
If anything FERNANDOs moves were on the dangerous side, both his macho-style RD breakdown as well as his passing under yellow close to the crash region. MICHAEL shouldnt have passed under red either but at least it looked a bit as if he realized too late and avoided to crash into the car in front of him.

Re.comparing KIMIs crash into TONIO with MICHAELs into DAVID some 8 years ago that is really like comparing apples with tomatoes.

That year in Spa MICHAEL was lapping DAVID who was lying 2nd!!! and it seemed as if DAVID slowed massively on the racing line, this in HEAVY RAIN....Actually you could blame MICHAEL for going so fast as he would otherwise have won this GP and probably the WDC...

F1greyhound wrote:Re.the penalties for FERNANDO and MICHAEL, I think they were fair.

I think that initial penalty for FA should not have been a time penalty, but rather a demotion on the grid. 5, 10 15 places or whatever.
Having realised the implication and severity of the penalty and that they could not reverse their decision it was an easy out to give MS the same penalty and restore the status quo.
PS JayVee, MS never accused FA of any wrong doing, He simply said watch the replays and decide for yourself who was wrong.

F1greyhound wrote: If anything FERNANDOs moves were on the dangerous side, both his macho-style RD breakdown as well as his passing under yellow close to the crash region. MICHAEL shouldnt have passed under red either but at least it looked a bit as if he realized too late and avoided to crash into the car in front of him.

I whole heartedly agree, FA's move on RD was deliberate and uncalled for.
Had RD actually crashed into him and caused enough damage to the rear he would have had at least a 10 grid spot penalty for changing engines.
Real smart move for a WDC trying to win his second title, and someone of his undeniable talent!

F1greyhound wrote: Re.comparing KIMIs crash into TONIO with MICHAELs into DAVID some 8 years ago that is really like comparing apples with tomatoes.

That year in Spa MICHAEL was lapping DAVID who was lying 2nd!!! and it seemed as if DAVID slowed massively on the racing line, this in HEAVY RAIN....Actually you could blame MICHAEL for going so fast as he would otherwise have won this GP and probably the WDC...

Agreed again!
At Spa the drivers were driving blind in the rain and spray. there was no spray involved and visibilty was OK when Kimi ran over Luizzi.
No comparison!

It is easy to forget just how quick these cars are, and the reaction times called for.
T-K, in Policing, there are motor vehicle collisions, there are no motor vehicle accidents.

I have been hammered elsewhere on this forum for suggesting we havent seen how sweet FA will respond when he comes under pressure. The move on Doornbros defies explanation, in practise 1 for goodness sake . If Schumi had made that move would the reaction here be the same?

Proclaiming the demise of Schumi as the regemeister on the basis of that race is wishful thinking at its best.

It is way too early to claim the WDC for 2006. The summer practise ban gives Ferrari some hope of maintaining the advantage they have held for the last few races, Hungar-not-boring excepted, but it will be on for young and old after that. A lot depends on how much effort Michelin will be prepared to put in for their last few races, they definitely seem to have gone off the boil recently.

rah wrote: Really, I thought the press release that McLaren sent out said that Liuzzi slowed down and Kimi had nowhere to go. Mind you that was bollocks and it was all Kimi's fault. At least he admitted it to Liuzzi afterwards.

Kimi was interviewed on tv after the crash, he was cool, he did say Liuzzi slowed down when he didn't expect but called it a racing incident. He didn't accuse Liuzzi of trying to kill him.

I am merely highlighting how much of a loser that other driver is, how he cannot accept his errors