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JayVee wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

JayVee wrote:
Arguments

Is that all what you can think of

"I wonder if................................."
"But then why not?"

Forming an opinion doesn't have to be via argument unless you have your mind set on arguing

I concur,...but,....... then again,...... however,........ on the other hand,......hmmmm,.........do I ?

JayVee wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

JayVee wrote:Alonso has described Michael Schumacher as "the most unsporting driver with the largest number of sanctions in the history of Formula One"

That is very true but I wonder if Alonso should be making such statements at this stage. He doesn't really need any more 'made up' penalties in the final 3 races. I suppose they are not racing in Italy again but I think it may be even more risky in China or Brazil

But then why not, why should he stay quiet and not say what he feels. Actually thinking about it, I think it is good that he said this. It shows he says what he thinks and that reminds me of another cool driver

The story is from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 339006.stm)

Let us know who wins the argument you are having with yourself

Arguments

Is that all what you can think of

I can assure you that arguements are not the only thing he thinks of..

jacfan wrote:I can assure you that arguements are not the only thing he thinks of..

Hmmmm......never mind

jacfan wrote:

JayVee wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:
Let us know who wins the argument you are having with yourself

Arguments

Is that all what you can think of

I can assure you that arguements are not the only thing he thinks of..

......ah,....stawberry vodkas ........sigh, maybe by the weekend

Stirling Moss agrees with Alonso that Michael is the least sporting Champion.

Here is a link to the video interview (http://www.nobok.co.uk/page/Video/0,,10 ... 31,00.html)

There are other clips of the interview as well there.

Thanks Coronado

STIRLING said in the interview that he had always rated MICHAEL very highly untill this years MONACO issue. A little incident to change his mind so much Come on!

As said before FERNANDO has to grow up. MIKA HAKKINEN recently stated he would be happy to race against MICHAEL in DTM

In todays race in SHANGHAIyou could see MICHAELs toughness and perfection. KIMI and JENSON came closest in showing their bite...


Obviously MICHAEL will retire as WDC

F1greyhound wrote:STIRLING said in the interview that he had always rated MICHAEL very highly untill this years MONACO issue. A little incident to change his mind so much Come on!

As said before FERNANDO has to grow up. MIKA HAKKINEN recently stated he would be happy to race against MICHAEL in DTM

In todays race in SHANGHAIyou could see MICHAELs toughness and perfection. KIMI and JENSON came closest in showing their bite...


Obviously MICHAEL will retire as WDC

Jenson got onto the radio and said he was coming in, because there was no tread left on the rear tyres, at the same time as the real drivers were benefitting from their rears becoming slicks. Barra made JB look slow til Sato did his normal b"s#$%, and JB benifitted mightily.......and that is fact.

F1greyhound, Fernando will obviously continue to gain experience, that is a natural thing that happens to all of us. But what you should really worry about is that Alonso is demonstrating this level of skill, speed and maturity at this age, over the next few years he will be even more untouchable.

Alonso's acheivements at his age are better than Michael's at a similar age and he never needed to resort to dirty tricks or cheating.

Whoever it is you will be cheering for from next year, you will have to wait a long long long time before anyone will be able to topple Alonso.

Ppl here are talking about Michael being the most unsporting driver...a statement made by his arch rival this season..who then backtracks his staement in a couple of days & says spanish media talks too much..well..

I would like to convey an observation on sportmanship/sportsmanspirit of the Driver who started this accusation on Michael atleast from last year & this year...Alonso is a bad loser...Never does he congratulates the winner...be it Michael or Kimi from last year..never ever will u see him waiting for the winner to congratulate him...unlike otherwise of the driver he accuses of...

I think for me the most put-off moment against Alonso in his sportmanspirit was last year's race in Hungary(if i got the race rgt) when kimi lost it on the last lap b'cos of his tyre failure..& Alonso was jumping as if he won the race without his opponent car's failure & never went upto Kimi to tlak to him..Unlike a very similar inccident with Mika's car failure on the last lap which Michael won..Michael didnt go jumping to his mechanics or wasnt adopted by Jen Todt(Like Flavio did to Alonso) but waited for Mika who took a lift from David on his sidepod...

Just my observation of a bad loser...

Kapel wrote:Ppl here are talking about Michael being the most unsporting driver...a statement made by his arch rival this season..who then backtracks his staement in a couple of days & says spanish media talks too much..well..

I would like to convey an observation on sportmanship/sportsmanspirit of the Driver who started this accusation on Michael atleast from last year & this year...Alonso is a bad loser...Never does he congratulates the winner...be it Michael or Kimi from last year..never ever will u see him waiting for the winner to congratulate him...unlike otherwise of the driver he accuses of...

I think for me the most put-off moment against Alonso in his sportmanspirit was last year's race in Hungary(if i got the race rgt) when kimi lost it on the last lap b'cos of his tyre failure..& Alonso was jumping as if he won the race without his opponent car's failure & never went upto Kimi to tlak to him..Unlike a very similar inccident with Mika's car failure on the last lap which Michael won..Michael didnt go jumping to his mechanics or wasnt adopted by Jen Todt(Like Flavio did to Alonso) but waited for Mika who took a lift from David on his sidepod...

Just my observation of a bad loser...

Kapel, I expected more from you than to resort to overblowing certain events with Alonso to defend your beloved Schumacher. With all due respect to F1Greyhound, he continues to suggest that people taking exception to Michael's on and off track antics as some diminishing his talents. No one is doing that. We all know all too well how good Schumacher is. We don't like that a guy this good still needs to resort to kart track antics at this stage of his career with his place in the F1 history book so well established. It suggests a type of immaturity that is hard to witness in a driver so talented.

BUT you have tended to be more fair in your analysis, and to read this post where you are trying to paint Alonso as some sort of sore loser is pathetic! There are so many picture of Alonso congratulating the other guys on the podium, that I'm astonished you would go there of all places looking for something to criticize the kid for. Michael Schumacher had been criticized by many long before Alonso showed up. He is who he is and no amount of opponent bashing by his devotees is going to change that.

I loved Ayrton Senna, but I realize his intentional crashing out of Alain Prost is a huge blot on his copybook. It was unnecessary and reckless. I cannot defend what he did. His greatness cannot erase it either. May I note, he never did anything like this to any other opponent, and much has been made of the several incidents that were very personal between those two.

Alonso's elation at winning last year's Hungarian GP cannot be compared to Michael Schumacher jumping around like a fool on the podium after winning the 1994 San Marino GP next to the very somber Mika Hakkinen and Nicola Larini. Earlier this year, IRL champion Dan Wheldon showed his class by telling his team on the radio he would like for them to respect the memory of Paul Dana by not celebrating his victory in that race. No one is judging Michael unfairly.

RE30B#16 wrote:

Kapel wrote:Ppl here are talking about Michael being the most unsporting driver...a statement made by his arch rival this season..who then backtracks his staement in a couple of days & says spanish media talks too much..well..

I would like to convey an observation on sportmanship/sportsmanspirit of the Driver who started this accusation on Michael atleast from last year & this year...Alonso is a bad loser...Never does he congratulates the winner...be it Michael or Kimi from last year..never ever will u see him waiting for the winner to congratulate him...unlike otherwise of the driver he accuses of...

I think for me the most put-off moment against Alonso in his sportmanspirit was last year's race in Hungary(if i got the race rgt) when kimi lost it on the last lap b'cos of his tyre failure..& Alonso was jumping as if he won the race without his opponent car's failure & never went upto Kimi to tlak to him..Unlike a very similar inccident with Mika's car failure on the last lap which Michael won..Michael didnt go jumping to his mechanics or wasnt adopted by Jen Todt(Like Flavio did to Alonso) but waited for Mika who took a lift from David on his sidepod...

Just my observation of a bad loser...

Kapel, I expected more from you than to resort to overblowing certain events with Alonso to defend your beloved Schumacher. With all due respect to F1Greyhound, he continues to suggest that people taking exception to Michael's on and off track antics as some diminishing his talents. No one is doing that. We all know all too well how good Schumacher is. We don't like that a guy this good still needs to resort to kart track antics at this stage of his career with his place in the F1 history book so well established. It suggests a type of immaturity that is hard to witness in a driver so talented.

BUT you have tended to be more fair in your analysis, and to read this post where you are trying to paint Alonso as some sort of sore loser is pathetic! There are so many picture of Alonso congratulating the other guys on the podium, that I'm astonished you would go there of all places looking for something to criticize the kid for. Michael Schumacher had been criticized by many long before Alonso showed up. He is who he is and no amount of opponent bashing by his devotees is going to change that.

I loved Ayrton Senna, but I realize his intentional crashing out of Alain Prost is a huge blot on his copybook. It was unnecessary and reckless. I cannot defend what he did. His greatness cannot erase it either. May I note, he never did anything like this to any other opponent, and much has been made of the several incidents that were very personal between those two.

Alonso's elation at winning last year's Hungarian GP cannot be compared to Michael Schumacher jumping around like a fool on the podium after winning the 1994 San Marino GP next to the very somber Mika Hakkinen and Nicola Larini. Earlier this year, IRL champion Dan Wheldon showed his class by telling his team on the radio he would like for them to respect the memory of Paul Dana by not celebrating his victory in that race. No one is judging Michael unfairly.

While it does not excuse the act, Senna said he was going to do it, before the race.
Kappy,
The commentators said that Alonso congratulated MS immediately outside parc fermme.

Kapel wrote:Ppl here are talking about Michael being the most unsporting driver...a statement made by his arch rival this season..who then backtracks his staement in a couple of days & says spanish media talks too much..well..

I would like to convey an observation on sportmanship/sportsmanspirit of the Driver who started this accusation on Michael atleast from last year & this year...Alonso is a bad loser...Never does he congratulates the winner...be it Michael or Kimi from last year..never ever will u see him waiting for the winner to congratulate him...unlike otherwise of the driver he accuses of...

I think for me the most put-off moment against Alonso in his sportmanspirit was last year's race in Hungary(if i got the race rgt) when kimi lost it on the last lap b'cos of his tyre failure..& Alonso was jumping as if he won the race without his opponent car's failure & never went upto Kimi to tlak to him..Unlike a very similar inccident with Mika's car failure on the last lap which Michael won..Michael didnt go jumping to his mechanics or wasnt adopted by Jen Todt(Like Flavio did to Alonso) but waited for Mika who took a lift from David on his sidepod...

Just my observation of a bad loser...

You obviously have a personal issue with Alonso.

Despite the pathetic F1 coverage we have in Australia, of the times we've seen the post race footage, Alonso has congratulated the winner whoever it is.
You speak as if you are accompanying Alonso and his every more. How do you know he never did this or never did that, how ? Don't go make up stories Kapel. You are better than that.

As for Alonso jumping for winning the race after Kimi retired, Kimi took the risk didn't he ? Well didn't Michael jump up and down in China a few days ago even though it would have been a different story had Alonso not changed his tyre and didn't have a 19 second stop ??????
Does it matter if it is the last lap or at the middle of the race when you lose the lead ? Is there a rule that says one may not enjoy winning the race if the driver ahead struggles ?????

What Alonso said about Michael is a fact, if you don't like hearing it, too bad. Alonso said (and this is from the BBC) "Michael is the most unsporting driver with the largest number of sanctions in the history of Formula One."

If you don't agree, find someone with more sanctions, otherwise face it and do go trying to make Alonso look bad in defence.

I loved Ayrton Senna, but I realize his intentional crashing out of Alain Prost is a huge blot on his copybook. It was unnecessary and reckless. I cannot defend what he did. His greatness cannot erase it either. May I note, he never did anything like this to any other opponent, and much has been made of the several incidents that were very personal between those two.

A few people have tried to excuse Michael's behaviour by stating that Ayrton Senna was just as bad in his fights with Alain Prost.
I agree with Julian on this subject. Ayrton and Prost were fierce rivals and as such there are bound to be people seeing things from the perspective of who they support.
However I cannot compare the behaviour of Michael to that of Senna.
Senna's fights with Alain became so fierce after Alain attacked Ayrton not only as a racing driver but as a person... he attacked his religion and nearly caused Ayrton to give up racing for good.
When Ayrton deliberately crashed into Prost he admitted it. In fact he said before the race that he would do it and he did.
Michael on the other hand not only deliberately tries to run competitors off the track but he does not have the integrity to admit that he did it. He has never taken any blame for any of his "incidents" with other drivers.
Senna was also a very decent and caring human being. He was the first to get to the medical center whenever someone got hurt during a race. In fact the weekend he died, he was advised by Sid Watkins not to race, as he was so upset by the death of Roland Ratzenburger and Rubens accident on that weekend. However as history shows, he did race and we all know the conclusion to that event. What a lot of people don't like about Michael is the fact that at the end of that race, which he won, he jumped up and down on the podium knowing full well that Ayrton, who he claims was one of his heros, had died. Had Ayrton lived and won that race I am positive that he would not have celebrated that win because of the tragic circumstances of that weekend.
Ayrton was a great racer and, yes he was flawed in his thinking sometimes but he always cared about others and that makes him a better person than Michael in my opinion. It will be interesting to see how both go down in history.

jacfan wrote:Ayrton was a great racer and, yes he was flawed in his thinking sometimes but he always cared about others and that makes him a better person than Michael in my opinion. It will be interesting to see how both go down in history.

Personally, I don't care how these two go down in history. Senna was and is, flaws and all, a classier act. Schumacher is a great driver, but that is about how much respect I can give him. I applaud him for quitting so that he can "spend more time with his family." Being a dad, I can respect him for that if it is true. Otherwise, I look forward to Fernando Alonso, Robert Kubica, Heikki Kovalainen, or Lewis Hamilton breaking ever record he currently holds.

Thank you and goodnight!

RE30B#16 wrote:

jacfan wrote:Ayrton was a great racer and, yes he was flawed in his thinking sometimes but he always cared about others and that makes him a better person than Michael in my opinion. It will be interesting to see how both go down in history.

Personally, I don't care how these two go down in history. Senna was and is, flaws and all, a classier act. Schumacher is a great driver, but that is about how much respect I can give him. I applaud him for quitting so that he can "spend more time with his family." Being a dad, I can respect him for that if it is true. Otherwise, I look forward to Fernando Alonso, Robert Kubica, Heikki Kovalainen, or Lewis Hamilton breaking ever record he currently holds.

Thank you and goodnight!

I am not sure about breaking all the records MS is currently holding cuz there are quite a few. However I agree that Senna, in his shorter career, gave us more moments to remember him by. It'll be fun to see Alonso, Raikkonen, Kubica and others duke it out next year.