Bahrain Grand Prix Thread (Alonso Wins!)

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:10 am

K-D wrote: You are all very much mistaken if you think that racing in F1 is easy. In order to win, and be running at the sharp end of the field you need A LOT of talent. Never disputed that

All F1 racers are VERY good drivers, and some F1 drivers are at a level that only less than 5 drivers reach. Agree

Currently there is little doubt that the three best drivers in the world are:

Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen. Second two yes, Michael WAS, but not since China '04

No team is active in the sport to give anything away; as much as Ferrari is enamoured with Michael Schumacher, were Rubens to continue racing and qualifying in front of Michael, then all of Ferrari's resources will be used to make Rubens the WDC. But Michael has the team and all its resources behind him to start with. He would have to be really mediocre if he managed to get beaten by Barrichello

No driver teamed with Michael have ever been able to hold his own against him, the occasional faster qualifying is not enough. The occasional better racing is not enough.

Get over the team orders, they have been banned for more that 2 seasons. Banned is one thing, using loop holes is another

Dislike Michael Schumacher if you want to, but do not make yourse?f appear less intelligent denying his undoubted talent. I don't think anyone doubts his talent pre China '04 . It would have been much better had he acheived his results playing fair though and without team preference/orders

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:18 am

F1greyhound wrote:Michael won about 2/3 of his GPs in the second or third best car incl.all his first 20 victories.

This topic has been nailed to death but Michael won 83 races. 2/3 of that is 55. You are saying he won those in 2nd or 3rd best cars

Since 2000 he won 47 races in the best car.
In 94 he won 7 maybe in the second best car but against who ?

I hope you'll enjoy Bahrain, I know I will

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:48 am

To make things 100% clear we have to speak about the package rather than the car. In 2003 Michael didnt have the best package and in most years no package is superior in all races. 2/3 is a rough estimation of mine, take it +/- 5%. Anyway Im not aware of any driver who had these results not having the best package, and that includes the likes of Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost and Nigel Mansell.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:10 am

F1greyhound wrote:To make things 100% clear we have to speak about the package rather than the car. In 2003 Michael didnt have the best package and in most years no package is superior in all races. 2/3 is a rough estimation of mine, take it +/- 5%. Anyway Im not aware of any driver who had these results not having the best package, and that includes the likes of Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost and Nigel Mansell.

Each one of us can define best to their liking

Sure Michael had his time in the sun, but lets enjoy this season. We'll be talking about it for a long time

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:20 am

JayVee wrote:..
Sure Michael had his time in the sun, but lets enjoy this season. We'll be talking about it for a long time

Of how Michael Schumacher fought back with a car clearly not better than the third best package and still won the WDC!!!!!

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:02 am

Not happy about Montoya

Only good thing is that the next race is 3 weeks away so he should be fully fit.

I feel for Wurz, he deserves to race in that car. de la Rosa never impressed me and now he'll be racing in one of the best cars out there. NOT FAIR.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:12 am

Graham, I wondered why Denis put him on in the first place.

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:16 am

julian mayo wrote:Graham, I wondered why Denis put him on in the first place.

To get the Jaguar secrets

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:33 am

I am now cleaning the spray of tea off my computer

alonsofan · Post by **alonsofan** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:44 pm

again you guys are just talking about schumacher, he'll be 7th if lucky

alonso will again win but not sure if fisichella will come second, he is under much pressure so he may make mistakes again
kimi will be very strong too
de la rosa may have problems since he didn't race for a long time
then williams and toyota and bar but some will retire especially bar

it seems it will be very hot so don't give ferrari and bridgestone much hope

it will be another great race

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:21 pm

K-D wrote:Of how Michael Schumacher fought back with a car clearly not better than the third best package and still won the WDC!!!!!

Once upon a time there was a driver named Michael who won 7 Championships (a record at that time never thought will be broken). In 2005 a young Spaniard named Fernando became the youngest ever Champion and ... the rest was history

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:22 pm

Graham Ross wrote:To get the Jaguar secrets

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:21 pm

Damn ,Montoya is not racing

I watched the race in Bahrain last year .The circuit suits his style of driving,Its a shame he wont be there this year ,cos i think he had a chance for a win with Mclaren.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:43 pm

I wonder if he and kimmi are going to compete against each other too much this season. I think there is a lot of tension becoming apparent in the errors both are making, whether it be excursions or excess tyre wear et al??

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:22 pm

I agree Julian,mayb to out qualify or out race each other they are pushing hard and in the bargain ruining their tyres.N the worst is driving errors

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