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Ed wrote:The latest on the crisis is that Max Mosley now wants to talk and is putting legal action on hold. He now beleives a solution is close.

More: Mosley drops legal threat and wants FOTA talks

Meanwhile, on the issue of sanctioning the new series, Ross Brawn indicated that the FIA could do that!

More: Brawn says FIA could run breakaway series

Related: FOTA's 'New Formula' eyes 17-race calendar

Mosley should now be kicked out of the office because clearly he does not know what he is saying, nor what he is doing. He sounds like a little child who cant get it his way. He needs to be removed. An international governing body should not operate like that. They should lose their license and right to be a governing body. This is far from over. FOTA need to push on with their demands all the way, demand new governance system and a new president that works for the good of the sport, the fans and the teams. A government that represents an organization not a "one old man with diapers" business. A government that provides understanding, stability with many aspects of the sport including technical regulations. A government that works for the good of the sport and its members.

This is something that a child in grade 6 should understand let alone an old man of 70 years of age.

F1greyhound wrote:For us racing fans this might look like "damage" when in fact F1 is receiving unprecedented publicity. TV channels, newspapers and almost everyone is suddenly talking about F1. Who knows, maybe good old Bernie is simply rubbing his hands and is more behind this little revolution against his "friend" Max than many think....)

Once more, NO WAY THERE WILL REALLY BE A SPLIT.

frankly I dont believe in such a thing as no way or impossible. Everything is possible. If the split does not happen it is because Max and Bernie will yield. But the question is how far. If the split does not happen the solution will be far from over because Max will still be in power and will continue to manipulate the teams in every possible way, as he has done in the past - for many years. So there is a bigger picture here that has been in play for many many years.

In this current condition, the whole world can see that there is a situation where two old men are exploiting and manipulating the sport. In such a large sporting event this can not be allowed to continue. At the moment we need everybody to support FOTA for the split, so that this situation does not repeat itself ever again. For that to happen one old man who thinks he is god needs to be removed and replaced with a real president so that the FIA governing body can function as it is supposed to- be a government for the sport, for the members of the sport and for the fans.

It would be a grave mistake to simply come to terms with Max just because he now feels like talking again. He is very very conniving manipulator.

What we "the fans" need now is for the FOTA to continue with organizing a possible new series (and for us to support them). When things are set in motion, new terms should be presented by FOTA to FIA as a final solution. Because the Miki mouse business can not be allowed to continue.

buttonfan26 wrote:do You Guys the Breakaway Series will go ahead?

Depends on just how stupid Max really is.

F1greyhound wrote:For us racing fans this might look like "damage" when in fact F1 is receiving unprecedented publicity. TV channels, newspapers and almost everyone is suddenly talking about F1. Who knows, maybe good old Bernie is simply rubbing his hands and is more behind this little revolution against his "friend" Max than many think....)

Once more, NO WAY THERE WILL REALLY BE A SPLIT.

Yes there is unprecedented publicty for Formula 1 and it is getting a lot of mention in the news but that is for the WRONG reasons. That usually happens with any crisis but over the next few weeks and months Formula 1 popularity will take a hit as a result. This publicity will not translate into more people buying tickets and more sponsors coming in or more advertisers on TV. On the contrary, in such difficult economic conidtions, who wants to associate their brand with people fighting over over power and control.

The way things are looking in my view is that there won't be a split if Mosley goes, otherwise, there will be one.

Tim wrote:

F1greyhound wrote:For us racing fans this might look like "damage" when in fact F1 is receiving unprecedented publicity. TV channels, newspapers and almost everyone is suddenly talking about F1. Who knows, maybe good old Bernie is simply rubbing his hands and is more behind this little revolution against his "friend" Max than many think....)

Once more, NO WAY THERE WILL REALLY BE A SPLIT.

Yes there is unprecedented publicty for Formula 1 and it is getting a lot of mention in the news but that is for the WRONG reasons. That usually happens with any crisis but over the next few weeks and months Formula 1 popularity will take a hit as a result. This publicity will not translate into more people buying tickets and more sponsors coming in or more advertisers on TV. On the contrary, in such difficult economic conidtions, who wants to associate their brand with people fighting over over power and control.

The way things are looking in my view is that there won't be a split if Mosley goes, otherwise, there will be one.

Yup, that seems to be the general concensus. And I concur.
FOTA meets next week to agree on the technical aspects of the cars for next season, discussions with Circuit proprietors are under way, and similarly with TV Broadcasters.
Ironically, if FOTA asks the FIA to run their series, as technical, and racing rule adjudicators, then the FIA has to supply stewards, marshalls etc., but can have no mandate over changing FOTA regulations.

The FOTA teams disagree with Max that a solution is close. On the contrary they appear to be toughening their stance.
Certainly labelling some in FOTA as loonies didn't do Max Mosley any favours.

More: FOTA 'loonies' hit back at Mosley: no deal

Tim wrote:

F1greyhound wrote:For us racing fans this might look like "damage" when in fact F1 is receiving unprecedented publicity. TV channels, newspapers and almost everyone is suddenly talking about F1. Who knows, maybe good old Bernie is simply rubbing his hands and is more behind this little revolution against his "friend" Max than many think....)

Once more, NO WAY THERE WILL REALLY BE A SPLIT.

Yes there is unprecedented publicty for Formula 1 and it is getting a lot of mention in the news but that is for the WRONG reasons. That usually happens with any crisis but over the next few weeks and months Formula 1 popularity will take a hit as a result. This publicity will not translate into more people buying tickets and more sponsors coming in or more advertisers on TV. On the contrary, in such difficult economic conidtions, who wants to associate their brand with people fighting over over power and control.

The way things are looking in my view is that there won't be a split if Mosley goes, otherwise, there will be one.

I agree

Julian Mayo wrote:

Tim wrote:

F1greyhound wrote:For us racing fans this might look like "damage" when in fact F1 is receiving unprecedented publicity. TV channels, newspapers and almost everyone is suddenly talking about F1. Who knows, maybe good old Bernie is simply rubbing his hands and is more behind this little revolution against his "friend" Max than many think....)

Once more, NO WAY THERE WILL REALLY BE A SPLIT.

Yes there is unprecedented publicty for Formula 1 and it is getting a lot of mention in the news but that is for the WRONG reasons. That usually happens with any crisis but over the next few weeks and months Formula 1 popularity will take a hit as a result. This publicity will not translate into more people buying tickets and more sponsors coming in or more advertisers on TV. On the contrary, in such difficult economic conidtions, who wants to associate their brand with people fighting over over power and control.

The way things are looking in my view is that there won't be a split if Mosley goes, otherwise, there will be one.

Yup, that seems to be the general concensus. And I concur.
FOTA meets next week to agree on the technical aspects of the cars for next season, discussions with Circuit proprietors are under way, and similarly with TV Broadcasters.
Ironically, if FOTA asks the FIA to run their series, as technical, and racing rule adjudicators, then the FIA has to supply stewards, marshalls etc., but can have no mandate over changing FOTA regulations.

Yes i am a little interested in the comment made by Ross Brawn regarding FIA being involved again.

What Ross Brawn is getting at, is that if the FOTA ask FIA to police (and only to police under signed contract) their new championship, then FIA do not have a case under which they can sue FOTA for any wrong doing. And under international sporting regulation FIA is obliged to assist and police the automotive sporting event. If it is played by the book, Max Mosley will be double screwed then because he would lose control of existing F1, and have no authority under which to control or modify any financial and technical regulations of the new championship, additionally FIA must provide all necessary tools such as you mentioned, stewards, marshalls etc... And everything is done by the book

So basically Ross is saying that they can do this whichever way they approach it, and he is the champ!

Ed wrote:The FOTA teams disagree with Max that a solution is close. On the contrary they appear to be toughening their stance.
Certainly labelling some in FOTA as loonies didn't do Max Mosley any favours.

More: FOTA 'loonies' hit back at Mosley: no deal

So they should, good on them.

Max doesn't have a case under which he can pursue any legal action against FOTA at this stage.

The crisis is over.

News emerging from the World Motor Sport Council meeting that an agreement has been reached where cost in the sport will be cut to that of the 90's over the next 2 years and that Max Mosley will not seek re-election.

More to follow

As expected. If there was real "damage" done remains to be seen. Curious to see the full participants list now, will BMW, RENAULT and TOYOTA still be there?

Ed wrote:The crisis is over.

News emerging from the World Motor Sport Council meeting that an agreement has been reached where cost in the sport will be cut to that of the 90's over the next 2 years and that Max Mosley will not seek re-election.

More to follow

Well as I stated in the other thread, I need to see more details to be convinced but so far it seems Max Mooo has lost big time as I suspected!! What an excellent victory for F1 and for the teams!!

From the articles:


"It seems that Mosley's planned budget cap, meanwhile, has been completely scrapped, although the kinds of other cost reductions agreed by FOTA should lead to radically smaller budgets by 2011.

However, Mosley appears to have backed down on all fronts.

The published 2010 regulations are to be completely torn up, replaced - as per FOTA's wish - with this year's rules but modified for the cost-cutting measures agreed on Wednesday.

Max Mosley is to now step down as FIA president in October."


GOOD BYE Max loser.

Maksutov wrote:

Ed wrote:The crisis is over.

News emerging from the World Motor Sport Council meeting that an agreement has been reached where cost in the sport will be cut to that of the 90's over the next 2 years and that Max Mosley will not seek re-election.

More to follow

Well as I stated in the other thread, I need to see more details to be convinced but so far it seems Max Mooo has lost big time as I suspected!! What an excellent victory for F1 and for the teams!!

From the articles:


"It seems that Mosley's planned budget cap, meanwhile, has been completely scrapped, although the kinds of other cost reductions agreed by FOTA should lead to radically smaller budgets by 2011.

However, Mosley appears to have backed down on all fronts.

The published 2010 regulations are to be completely torn up, replaced - as per FOTA's wish - with this year's rules but modified for the cost-cutting measures agreed on Wednesday.

Max Mosley is to now step down as FIA president in October."


GOOD BYE Max loser.

Keep your powder dry, and musket primed til til the mongrel is out of range.

At least now F1 won't go down the same divisive road AOWR went through..........

Just watched the interview with Mad Max announcing "peace in our time." That boy loves a whipping.