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Attitude is great, to me it should be a sporting attitude.

Sport is about winning and losing, if you cant lose its not a good attitude.

Theres a difference if a driver shows great will to win(which is necessary) or if he plays the stinker just because he got beaten. Maybe its attractive for the headlines and makes for some popularity e.g.like John McEnroe, but I cant see that as mature, decent and sporting behaviour(e.g.like Agassi, Sampras, Federer etc.).

Mark should have been positive about the double podium for WILLIAMS at Monaco looking forward to the next race having every chance to beat them all incl.Nick.

Nick should have said something like "its a good result to finish in 2nd place twice even if I would have prefered to win. I will try to improve further on these results".

You could probably mix their attitudes and get a potential World Champion. For now they are not Championship material, both of them...

julian mayo wrote: It is a damned good point! Webber stands on the podium looking pissed off cos he got third,and gets criticized!
He set out to win the bloody thing! In his mind he failed, regardless of the reasons, he failed.
I have often wondered about the smiling 2nd and 3rd place getters waving their trophys over their heads, I thought they got paid to win!!
In these times of sanitized everything, it's bloody good to see someone with "attitude". I believe its that "Attitude" which will take him to the top.
Similarly Alonso showed "attitude" to keep Schuey at bay, and that identifies him as a future champion.
Bring personalities back to the sport! I have had enough of the plastic, pooh faced,cardboard cut outs!!

Comeon julian, are you telling me that had Webber finished second in Monaco (ahead of Heidfeld) he wouldn't be smiling and waving his trophy over his head ???

Sure they get paid to win but when second or third is the best you could do then it should be treated as a win. Otherwise it means that he is pissed off with himself that he could've done better.

Was it the Spanish Dancer

JayVee wrote:

julian mayo wrote: It is a damned good point! Webber stands on the podium looking pissed off cos he got third,and gets criticized!
He set out to win the bloody thing! In his mind he failed, regardless of the reasons, he failed.
I have often wondered about the smiling 2nd and 3rd place getters waving their trophys over their heads, I thought they got paid to win!!
In these times of sanitized everything, it's bloody good to see someone with "attitude". I believe its that "Attitude" which will take him to the top.
Similarly Alonso showed "attitude" to keep Schuey at bay, and that identifies him as a future champion.
Bring personalities back to the sport! I have had enough of the plastic, pooh faced,cardboard cut outs!!

Comeon julian, are you telling me that had Webber finished second in Monaco (ahead of Heidfeld) he wouldn't be smiling and waving his trophy over his head ???

Sure they get paid to win but when second or third is the best you could do then it should be treated as a win. Otherwise it means that he is pissed off with himself that he could've done better.

Was it the Spanish Dancer

she has gone off to find mark.

No he would not have been smilingand waving....etc.
ED find a pic of Alan Jones, and Jack Brabham on the "1st of the losers step, or second of the losers step" and post it in this thread please.The guy had , and has the right attitude to go all the way.
Alonso had the attitude forced on him by schuey.
Try doing reverse somersaults with pike at 280kmh,., not once but twice
then go race a faster car, and not have an attitude towards engineers who stuff things up

julian mayo wrote:
she has gone off to find mark.

No he would not have been smilingand waving....etc.
ED find a pic of Alan Jones, and Jack Brabham on the "1st of the losers step, or second of the losers step" and post it in this thread please.The guy had , and has the right attitude to go all the way.
Alonso had the attitude forced on him by schuey.

julian, I don't doubt Mark's ability. I didn't like his attitude at Monaco that's all

Next time Webber finishes on the podium and is ahead of Heidfeld we'll see his reaction.

julian mayo wrote:Try doing reverse somersaults with pike at 280kmh,., not once but twice
then go race a faster car, and not have an attitude towards engineers who stuff things up

Doing reverse somersaults increases the rate you grow grey hair

I think this is one his somersaults http://www.endurancesportscar.com/photo/clrflip.mpg

Now that has got to change a man. But if it groes some hair, I might have to try it.

JayVee wrote:

julian mayo wrote:
she has gone off to find mark.

No he would not have been smilingand waving....etc.
ED find a pic of Alan Jones, and Jack Brabham on the "1st of the losers step, or second of the losers step" and post it in this thread please.The guy had , and has the right attitude to go all the way.
Alonso had the attitude forced on him by schuey.

julian, I don't doubt Mark's ability. I didn't like his attitude at Monaco that's all

Next time Webber finishes on the podium and is ahead of Heidfeld we'll see his reaction.

julian mayo wrote:Try doing reverse somersaults with pike at 280kmh,., not once but twice
then go race a faster car, and not have an attitude towards engineers who stuff things up

Doing reverse somersaults increases the rate you grow grey hair

I think this is one his somersaults http://www.en
durancesportscar.com/photo/clrflip.mpg

Yep, sure was!!

rah wrote:Now that has got to change a man. But if it groes some hair, I might have to try it.

Perhaps K-D needs that treatment too

In a Ferrari of course

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote:Now that has got to change a man. But if it groes some hair, I might have to try it.

Perhaps K-D needs that treatment too

In a Ferrari of course

I doubt that one would walk away from doing that in a ferrari

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote:Now that has got to change a man. But if it groes some hair, I might have to try it.

Perhaps K-D needs that treatment too

In a Ferrari of course

Unfortunately K-D had sort of that treatment already. In a Mazda Miata (red one).