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Kapel wrote:

rah wrote:

jacfan wrote:All very valid points JayVee and well articulated. Some people around here just want to sling off at anyone that is not in a red car.

Yeah and some people want to sling off at anyone in a red car.

i concur

Any driver/team does he same mistakes gets scots free in this forum but nothing in Red.Wait for hell to fall on Massa soon(In case even if there's a racing accident between him & Alonso)

Anything illegal on any car is hardly discussed with accusation,but not with the reds

I call this being BIASED & JEALOUS

Kapel stop generalising, you say anyone, who is anyone Who did a mistake and got scot free ?
Alonso's was penalised, what more do you want huh ? You and all the Ferrari fans know that your driver has gotten away scot free so many times in the past by either using the system or when the stewards made a mistake.

Besides I actually feel sorry for Massa and (if you recall) I called him a rebel but sadly he isn't, he is a puppy just like the previous guy.

What illegals on the car are you talking about ? You just want to just to direct attention somewhere else ? It won't work

F1greyhound wrote:Re.the penalties for FERNANDO and MICHAEL, I think they were fair.
If anything FERNANDOs moves were on the dangerous side, both his macho-style RD breakdown as well as his passing under yellow close to the crash region. MICHAEL shouldnt have passed under red either but at least it looked a bit as if he realized too late and avoided to crash into the car in front of him.

Yes I too think they were fair!

F1greyhound wrote:Re.comparing KIMIs crash into TONIO with MICHAELs into DAVID some 8 years ago that is really like comparing apples with tomatoes.

That year in Spa MICHAEL was lapping DAVID who was lying 2nd!!! and it seemed as if DAVID slowed massively on the racing line, this in HEAVY RAIN....Actually you could blame MICHAEL for going so fast as he would otherwise have won this GP and probably the WDC...

F1greyhound, again you play with facts, David was lying 3rd but my point is how your driver goes and blames others for his mistake. He accused Coulthard of wanting to kill him and last weekend he suggests Alonso slowed delibaretly so he gets a penalty.

BTW: You still think it was a mere 20 seconds

GhoGho wrote:PS JayVee, MS never accused FA of any wrong doing, He simply said watch the replays and decide for yourself who was wrong.

So he implied that ? But did you know that Michael passed 2 cars under red. So was it Alonso and his shadow

GhoGho wrote: Agreed again!
At Spa the drivers were driving blind in the rain and spray. there was no spray involved and visibilty was OK when Kimi ran over Luizzi.
No comparison!

You don't get my point. It is the reaction of the driver after the accident. Kimi was cool while that other driver accused Coulthard of wanting to kill him. He just can't accept that he made a mistake.

Redhead wrote:I have been hammered elsewhere on this forum for suggesting we havent seen how sweet FA will respond when he comes under pressure. The move on Doornbros defies explanation, in practise 1 for goodness sake . If Schumi had made that move would the reaction here be the same?

Hello Redhead!

The guy got angry so ? He got penalised, end of story.
How many times have we seen driver reacting this way ? This year I recall Montoya penalised for brake testing and causing a crash and that was in practice.

A few years back Villeneuve and Montoya had a fight when Villeneuve brake tested Montoya.

It isn't the first time nor the last.

Taking about pressure, you saw Alonso in the wet in Hungary under pressure. He was the best driver out there. That is what pressure does to him.

Redhead wrote:Proclaiming the demise of Schumi as the regemeister on the basis of that race is wishful thinking at its best.

Well put it this way, Hungary showed us that someone else is better than him in the wet.

JayVee wrote:

Redhead wrote:I have been hammered elsewhere on this forum for suggesting we havent seen how sweet FA will respond when he comes under pressure. The move on Doornbros defies explanation, in practise 1 for goodness sake . If Schumi had made that move would the reaction here be the same?

Hello Redhead!

The guy got angry so ? He got penalised, end of story.
How many times have we seen driver reacting this way ? This year I recall Montoya penalised for brake testing and causing a crash and that was in practice.

A few years back Villeneuve and Montoya had a fight when Villeneuve brake tested Montoya.

It isn't the first time nor the last.

Taking about pressure, you saw Alonso in the wet in Hungary under pressure. He was the best driver out there. That is what pressure does to him.

Redhead wrote:Proclaiming the demise of Schumi as the regemeister on the basis of that race is wishful thinking at its best.

Well put it this way, Hungary showed us that someone else is better than him in the wet.

What a load of c rap JV !!!! Different cars, different tyres, different tyre pressures, different camber settings, different toe-in, different shock settings.......how the hell can you say he was the best driver out there ? He had the best package on the day, as simple as that. As much as I despise Scummaker, and it started when he danced with joy the day Senna died(as someone else posted this morning), he, Button, Kubica, AND Alonso all drove superb races. And they were not the only ones. Others drove their rings off in crappy cars Get Real.

Julian Mayo wrote:
What a load of c rap JV !!!! Different cars, different tyres, different tyre pressures, different camber settings, different toe-in, different shock settings.......how the hell can you say he was the best driver out there ? He had the best package on the day, as simple as that. As much as I despise Scummaker, and it started when he danced with joy the day Senna died(as someone else posted this morning), he, Button, Kubica, AND Alonso all drove superb races. And they were not the only ones. Others drove their rings off in crappy cars Get Real.

Oh really!

Go look at the footage and see how he sliced through the field from 15th to lead by 30 or 40 seconds.

If that isn't prove that he was the best out there on that day, I don't know what will.

Look at Fisichella who is considered an excellent wet weather driver struggled big time to pass and then spun off. He and Alonso drive for the same team.

BTW: I see a hint of praise for Button from you. What a surprise!!!!

BTW2: Good to see a long response from you (by your standards).

JayVee wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:
What a load of c rap JV !!!! Different cars, different tyres, different tyre pressures, different camber settings, different toe-in, different shock settings.......how the hell can you say he was the best driver out there ? He had the best package on the day, as simple as that. As much as I despise Scummaker, and it started when he danced with joy the day Senna died(as someone else posted this morning), he, Button, Kubica, AND Alonso all drove superb races. And they were not the only ones. Others drove their rings off in crappy cars Get Real.

Oh really!

Go look at the footage and see how he sliced through the field from 15th to lead by 30 or 40 seconds.

If that isn't prove that he was the best out there on that day, I don't know what will.

Look at Fisichella who is considered an excellent wet weather driver struggled big time to pass and then spun off. He and Alonso drive for the same team.

BTW: I see a hint of praise for Button from you. What a surprise!!!!

BTW2: Good to see a long response from you (by your standards).

As usual you fail to read posts. He had the best package on the day. Until you can read a post and reply fully to it, stay quiet

Julian Mayo wrote:

JayVee wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:
What a load of c rap JV !!!! Different cars, different tyres, different tyre pressures, different camber settings, different toe-in, different shock settings.......how the hell can you say he was the best driver out there ? He had the best package on the day, as simple as that. As much as I despise Scummaker, and it started when he danced with joy the day Senna died(as someone else posted this morning), he, Button, Kubica, AND Alonso all drove superb races. And they were not the only ones. Others drove their rings off in crappy cars Get Real.

Oh really!

Go look at the footage and see how he sliced through the field from 15th to lead by 30 or 40 seconds.

If that isn't prove that he was the best out there on that day, I don't know what will.

Look at Fisichella who is considered an excellent wet weather driver struggled big time to pass and then spun off. He and Alonso drive for the same team.

BTW: I see a hint of praise for Button from you. What a surprise!!!!

BTW2: Good to see a long response from you (by your standards).

As usual you fail to read posts. He had the best package on the day. Until you can read a post and reply fully to it, stay quiet

You are not the authority to tell people who had the best package and who didn't. What do you know ? You think the world revolves around Webber.
Funny isn't it how Williams were going to be a force to reckon with this year. Now you are comparing them with MF1 Racing.
And you can tell that Alonso had the best package ? I see.

Now I know what makes you tick

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote:Huh ? Poor Doornbos, well that poor Doornbos should look in his mirrors more often!

Ofcourse he should,Alonso the great is behind in practise,no racing,& Doornbos u must practise to let the great go cos u r a backmarker in practise too

You make it sound as if Alonso is the first to do such a move. Brake testing always happens in racing. Nothing to do with being Champ or not.

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote: Anyway, he got a penalty and copped it. He didn't complain and got on with the job and in the end could have won the race.

Cos it was his fault.No right to complain.Sorry "Could" doesnt count in F1

You are the one who is complaining that no one mentioned this incident. If he got a fair penalty what is there to complain about ?

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote: Had he done that and gotten away with it then you can about being champion.

I meant abt showing himself to the poor guy"do u know who's the boss"style

Many drivers have done that in the past and many will in the future. Lets hope they all get penalised and no one gets away with it.

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote: Now it is your turn:
Howcome no1 commented on Michael's dangerous driving passing cars under the RED FLAG

And yes he did get penalised but he is such a loser that he can't take full blame he goes and blames Alonso for slowing down Hullo the session was STOPPED, of course you would slow down.

Rgt cos its ur driver, u wanna side him for slowing down to stand still,cos he cant do anything wrong.Red Flag doesnt mean stopping on track & yes Alonso does watch his mirrors,seeing Michael behind him & knowing he was under penalty,played a tactical game to penalised Michael too..Well when Alonso does this its fair & when Michael tries some tactical moves..its unsporting...BIASED

You just love conspiracies don't you.

Just like your driver, you can't accept he made a mistake. It was all in his hands, he could have slowed down but be didn't. He was in the wrong. End of story.

As for tactical, well Michael passed 2 cars under the red flag. Enough said

JayVee wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

JayVee wrote:
Oh really!

Go look at the footage and see how he sliced through the field from 15th to lead by 30 or 40 seconds.

If that isn't prove that he was the best out there on that day, I don't know what will.

Look at Fisichella who is considered an excellent wet weather driver struggled big time to pass and then spun off. He and Alonso drive for the same team.

BTW: I see a hint of praise for Button from you. What a surprise!!!!

BTW2: Good to see a long response from you (by your standards).

As usual you fail to read posts. He had the best package on the day. Until you can read a post and reply fully to it, stay quiet

You are not the authority to tell people who had the best package and who didn't. What do you know ? You think the world revolves around Webber.
Funny isn't it how Williams were going to be a force to reckon with this year. Now you are comparing them with MF1 Racing.
And you can tell that Alonso had the best package ? I see.

Now I know what makes you tick

I seem to have enough grasp of aero/mechanical set-up to recognise that a car is handling better than those around it
What do I know ? Quite a bit actually. It comes from racing,rallying, and hill climbs, being involved in car set-up, being at many tracks, watching many drivers in many formulae, in practice-where you do get a lot of valuable insight, and in racing. It comes from driving quite a number of various high speed machines in varying conditions, and learning how to change their performance handling characteristics.
But you are right, I am not an authority.... I will leave that to you and your eulogising of Alonso..
No i do not think that the world revolves around Webber, I do not wait til someone is a champion before giving them my support...unlike most australians.

JayVee wrote:

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote:Huh ? Poor Doornbos, well that poor Doornbos should look in his mirrors more often!

Ofcourse he should,Alonso the great is behind in practise,no racing,& Doornbos u must practise to let the great go cos u r a backmarker in practise too

You make it sound as if Alonso is the first to do such a move. Brake testing always happens in racing. Nothing to do with being Champ or not.

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote: Anyway, he got a penalty and copped it. He didn't complain and got on with the job and in the end could have won the race.

Cos it was his fault.No right to complain.Sorry "Could" doesnt count in F1

You are the one who is complaining that no one mentioned this incident. If he got a fair penalty what is there to complain about ?

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote: Had he done that and gotten away with it then you can about being champion.

I meant abt showing himself to the poor guy"do u know who's the boss"style

Many drivers have done that in the past and many will in the future. Lets hope they all get penalised and no one gets away with it.

Kapel wrote:

JayVee wrote: Now it is your turn:
Howcome no1 commented on Michael's dangerous driving passing cars under the RED FLAG

And yes he did get penalised but he is such a loser that he can't take full blame he goes and blames Alonso for slowing down Hullo the session was STOPPED, of course you would slow down.

Rgt cos its ur driver, u wanna side him for slowing down to stand still,cos he cant do anything wrong.Red Flag doesnt mean stopping on track & yes Alonso does watch his mirrors,seeing Michael behind him & knowing he was under penalty,played a tactical game to penalised Michael too..Well when Alonso does this its fair & when Michael tries some tactical moves..its unsporting...BIASED

You just love conspiracies don't you.

Just like your driver, you can't accept he made a mistake. It was all in his hands, he could have slowed down but be didn't. He was in the wrong. End of story.

As for tactical, well Michael passed 2 cars under the red flag. Enough said

JV, every time you seperate somones post, you place everything in it out of context. This is a favourite ruse of yours to make artificial points,while denigrating the original intent of that person's post.

Julian Mayo wrote:
I seem to have enough grasp of aero/mechanical set-up to recognise that a car is handling better than those around it
What do I know ? Quite a bit actually. It comes from racing,rallying, and hill climbs, being involved in car set-up, being at many tracks, watching many drivers in many formulae, in practice-where you do get a lot of valuable insight, and in racing. It comes from driving quite a number of various high speed machines in varying conditions, and learning how to change their performance handling characteristics.
But you are right, I am not an authority.... I will leave that to you and your eulogising of Alonso..
No i do not think that the world revolves around Webber, I do not wait til someone is a champion before giving them my support...unlike most australians.

All the more reason why you should make more reasonable comments but you just go and listen to what Webber says and beleive it.
How do you know his car wasn't driveable ? I don't think we saw his car on TV on Sunday ? How Mr Expert ?

I don't think anyone can say that Alonso had the best package! What about Fisichella then ?

Just to show how wrong you are, Alonso won the championship last year yet I supported him from Bahrain 2004 as he impressed moving up the field.

Julian Mayo wrote:
JV, every time you seperate somones post, you place everything in it out of context. This is a favourite ruse of yours to make artificial points,while denigrating the original intent of that person's post.

Again you are not an authority to tell me how I should reply.

I know how to reply, I just wish you can reply to everything addessed to you. Ignoring shows weakeness

It pays to listen to the engineers.
It pays to source information from other than TV.
It pays to have some knowledge.
It pays to make informed decisions based on all the above.
Just as you make decisions on eg the health of your children. You dont run off to the doctor with their every little ailment. You make judgements on
your experience as a child raiser
your own experience with ailments etc
I am not "Mr Expert" (a touch childish, don't you think?)
I do have a lot of knowledge.

JayVee wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:
JV, every time you seperate somones post, you place everything in it out of context. This is a favourite ruse of yours to make artificial points,while denigrating the original intent of that person's post.

Again you are not an authority to tell me how I should reply.

I know how to reply, I just wish you can reply to everything addessed to you. Ignoring shows weakeness

Then why do you ignore many valid points in many peoples post, and harp on one point, many times?.
Are you weak?