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gkaytaz wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote: So you have been quietly promoting the "War of the Anzacs" all these years, huh ?

Yeah, unwittingly

Julian Mayo wrote: An interesting thing about Bruce, is that as a young person, he beat the then often fatal Polio disease. He wore a leg brace for many years (fearsome contractions in those days) and was left with one leg a tad shorter than the other.

I know about his limping. Didn't know the cause though. Thanks for the info. Come to think of it I remember that Graham Hill was limping too. In a recent documentary about F1 I found out that Alan Stacey (Stirling Moss and Jim Clark's teammate) had an artificial lower leg and foot. He died in Spa 1960 cuz a bird struck him in the face and made him lose control.

Now if that ain't the luck of the Irish as some say! This guy alreadt has a prostetic leg and foot, then he gets killed by getting hit in the face by, of all things, a bird!!

Last week, I depressed the hell out of myself by watching a video of Tom Pryce's death when he struck a fire marshall running across the track with a 40 pound fire extinguisher in the 1977 South African GP. How sad!!

...on that note, I'm am so glad Cristiano daMatta is responding well to treatment. Let's pray he makes a full recovery.

gkaytaz wrote:Anyone remember the 1997 Hungaroring? The one where Hill almost got a win in his lowly Arrows but was only narrowly beaten by Villeneuve (Jacques) driving a Williams? Now that was good racin'. If memory serves Schumi was third or fourth that day.

Anyone?

I remember it like yesterday. Hill finished second, Herbert was third [in a Sauber], Michael was 4th, Ralf was 5th, and Shinji Nakano, who also had a heck of a race that day, was 6th ahead of his Prost teammate.

RE30B#16 wrote: Now if that ain't the luck of the Irish as some say! This guy alreadt has a prostetic leg and foot, then he gets killed by getting hit in the face by, of all things, a bird!!

Last week, I depressed the hell out of myself by watching a video of Tom Pryce's death when he struck a fire marshall running across the track with a 40 pound fire extinguisher in the 1977 South African GP. How sad!!

Agree. A driver crashing because of piloting error or mechanical failure is one thing; call it sort of a calculated risk if you wish. However hitting a deer or a bird or a fire marshall... That's really bad luck.

RE30B#16 wrote: ...on that note, I'm am so glad Cristiano daMatta is responding well to treatment. Let's pray he makes a full recovery.

Last I read he's making slow but steady progress toward full recovery. Sure it'll take some time but you know, "everything's okay that ends okay" should be considered a very valid motto in such cases.

gkaytaz wrote:

RE30B#16 wrote: ...on that note, I'm am so glad Cristiano daMatta is responding well to treatment. Let's pray he makes a full recovery.

Last I read he's making slow but steady progress toward full recovery. Sure it'll take some time but you know, "everything's okay that ends okay" should be considered a very valid motto in such cases.

Hmm. Apparently I have been out of touch with the latest news. It's said (updatef1.com) that he's still in a coma. Also reported by other users of this forum in the "da Matta" thread. I just hope that what I wrote about his recovery will come true soon.

Julien: There's a nice interview of Bruce McLaren (dug out of the archives, no doubt) in the current F1 mag. It was fun to read and reinforced my notion of him as a really decent chap. He consistently, but gently, disabuses the young interviewer of the notion that there was anything really "glamorous" about building and driving racing cars.

Like most of the great ones, he understood the relationship between the limited number of things a driver can actually control and the virtually UNlimited number of things he can't. This kind of clarity helps me to remember that drivers like Sterling Moss are deservedly remembered for their great drives and even greater joy in competition in spite of the fact that the "record book" tends to relegate them to lesser status than some of the incredibly lucky chaps who attribute their success to their "gifts" or "talents" or "courage."

Fangio, remember, started late and never had anything like the kind of sponsors many of today's drivers depend on.

On the other hand, as boy Nico shows, there are always hungry young men (and, one hopes soon, women) who can't wait to throw their hats in the ring!

cheer up; it's only a couple of weeks now!



Jim Watt

Thanks for that post Jim. Yes, he was a gentleman.
Dunno if I can hold my breath for 2 weeks

Jim Watt wrote:Like most of the great ones, he understood the relationship between the limited number of things a driver can actually control and the virtually UNlimited number of things he can't.

Wouldn't it be great to have a forum where this was the sort of topic that was explored and discussed?

It is true that I bite when the anti-schumites trot out their monotonous and relentless denigration of a great man, so I'm as guilty as anyone of contributing to the general tone. If this is the sort of thing that I would really like to see discussed I will have to try and post in kind.

cheers,
Red

Redhead wrote:

Jim Watt wrote:Like most of the great ones, he understood the relationship between the limited number of things a driver can actually control and the virtually UNlimited number of things he can't.

Wouldn't it be great to have a forum where this was the sort of topic that was explored and discussed?

It is true that I bite when the anti-schumites trot out their monotonous and relentless denigration of a great man, so I'm as guilty as anyone of contributing to the general tone. If this is the sort of thing that I would really like to see discussed I will have to try and post in kind.

cheers,
Red

I concur

gkaytaz wrote: By the way JayVee would you be so kind to accept my apologies for my reply to Julian Mayo's comment on the marriage thing? I am new here and didn't know you were sensitive about the subject. Won't happen again.

Thanks for mentioning this. It is appreciated.

My sensitivity has more to do with the way this has come up. Trying to cover up misleading and wrong "facts" with senseless humour about marriage. That isn't acceptable to me.

Have a good day

Redhead wrote:

Jim Watt wrote:Like most of the great ones, he understood the relationship between the limited number of things a driver can actually control and the virtually UNlimited number of things he can't.

Wouldn't it be great to have a forum where this was the sort of topic that was explored and discussed?

Start one

But don't start telling us how good your driver is in there

JayVee wrote:

Redhead wrote:

Jim Watt wrote:Like most of the great ones, he understood the relationship between the limited number of things a driver can actually control and the virtually UNlimited number of things he can't.

Wouldn't it be great to have a forum where this was the sort of topic that was explored and discussed?

Start one

Fair enough, I thought I had tried to start one in my original post race post (way back on page 28 ) when I said;

Redhead wrote:And then sweet FA's lines around the outside of the corners on the wet track at the start, completely different to everyone elses. I'm sure there will be a few people studying the video trying to figure out what he was doing.

I know I didnt specifically pose it as a question but I hoped someone might jump in and offer some insight. I seem to recall Anthony Davidson ( who I thought was Mark Blundell for the first half of the race) saying something about taking a "karting" wet line. But I found it fascinating, was it because he was so heavy, which as JM has pointed out could have given him a cornering speed advantage in the severe wet conditions?

cheers,
Red

Redhead wrote: Fair enough, I thought I had tried to start one in my original post race post (way back on page 28 ) when I said;

Redhead wrote:And then sweet FA's lines around the outside of the corners on the wet track at the start, completely different to everyone elses. I'm sure there will be a few people studying the video trying to figure out what he was doing.

I know I didnt specifically pose it as a question but I hoped someone might jump in and offer some insight. I seem to recall Anthony Davidson ( who I thought was Mark Blundell for the first half of the race) saying something about taking a "karting" wet line. But I found it fascinating, was it because he was so heavy, which as JM has pointed out could have given him a cornering speed advantage in the severe wet conditions?

cheers,
Red

I am not gonna take part in an Alonso vs. Schumi debate but as far as the tyres are concerned there are some interesting facts to be considered. I read the following article yesterday. It's a little too long to copy here but below's the link. Enjoy

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2006/08/12/w ... he-tables/

JayVee wrote:
Thanks for mentioning this. It is appreciated.

My sensitivity has more to do with the way this has come up. Trying to cover up misleading and wrong "facts" with senseless humour about marriage. That isn't acceptable to me.

Have a good day

Thanks.

Redhead wrote:It is true that I bite when the anti-schumites trot out their monotonous and relentless denigration of a great man, so I'm as guilty as anyone of contributing to the general tone. If this is the sort of thing that I would really like to see discussed I will have to try and post in kind.

cheers,
Red

This is not as much a response as it is a side comment. Some on this forum have attempted to suggest that Alonso's drive was not as spectacular as Schumacher drive. Sane minds have to acknowledge that if Alonso and Schumacher had not both retired, they would have been 1st and 2nd with Jensoid or PDLR coming in 3rd.

Too true.