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RE30B#16 wrote:

JayVee wrote:Webber's move to Williams was seen as a major step forward.

Isn't it amazing that Red Bull have more points than Williams this season

Bad luck to Webber. Problem with going back to Red Bull is thatI don't think they will have a winning car next year or even the year after.

JayVee, you are forgetting that Red Bull now has the most successful car designer of the past 15 years in Adrian Newey. He has been responsible for nearly half of the championship winning cars during this period, and now he is at Red Bull! The RedBull chassis will be a contender next year. This was his first year with RBR, and if things go like they did when he went to McLaren after Williams, Red Bull cars will be winning by Monaco of next season. If they get a Renault engine, it will probably be sooner than that.

rah wrote:No one man can make that kind of a difference to a team. Now more than ever it is the designers making the difference. Not the designer. Did Newey design the Ferrari or the Renault? I think too that RBR have too many big names in their camp. Might be there are not enough indians.

RE30B#16 wrote:

rah wrote:No one man can make that kind of a difference to a team. Now more than ever it is the designers making the difference. Not the designer. Did Newey design the Ferrari or the Renault? I think too that RBR have too many big names in their camp. Might be there are not enough indians.

One man has made that kind of difference. Newey designed almost every other car that has taken the WC during the "Schumacher era." His championship winning cars go back to Nigel Mansell's 1992 Williams. He redesigned the McLaren Mika Hakkinen won his 2 championships. Every car in which Michael Schumacher has taken to a title has been designed fully or in part by Rory Byrne. Only Alonso's Renault has been the exception.

But don't take my word for it [you already didn't], follow this link and get the facts: http://www.allf1.info/

Julian Mayo wrote:The third year of MW's deal with Williams involves a major pay hike for Mark. Knowing Sir Frank, that means Mark is g o r r r n !!!!!

rah wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:The third year of MW's deal with Williams involves a major pay hike for Mark. Knowing Sir Frank, that means Mark is g o r r r n !!!!!

It's probably still cheaper than most drivers. Except the rookies of course.

jacfan wrote:I just hope that Mark can end up with a better car.

Julian Mayo wrote:

jacfan wrote:I just hope that Mark can end up with a better car.

It wouldn't take much

jacfan wrote:Hey that is great Finally something we all agree on.

rah wrote:

RE30B#16 wrote:

rah wrote:No one man can make that kind of a difference to a team. Now more than ever it is the designers making the difference. Not the designer. Did Newey design the Ferrari or the Renault? I think too that RBR have too many big names in their camp. Might be there are not enough indians.

One man has made that kind of difference. Newey designed almost every other car that has taken the WC during the "Schumacher era." His championship winning cars go back to Nigel Mansell's 1992 Williams. He redesigned the McLaren Mika Hakkinen won his 2 championships. Every car in which Michael Schumacher has taken to a title has been designed fully or in part by Rory Byrne. Only Alonso's Renault has been the exception.

But don't take my word for it [you already didn't], follow this link and get the facts: http://www.allf1.info/

Don't get me wrong, I am sure he is a great designer and he has a great CV. But he hasn't designed a WDC winning car since Mika. There were times when one designer could make a difference, however they are gone. Now it is up to a large team to get the best car on the track. Head of design these days means you manage people.

jacfan wrote:I just hope that Mark can end up with a better car.