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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:09 am
by Julian Mayo
GhoGho wrote:Julian Mayo wrote:gkaytaz wrote:
I could live without him racing
I would like to see if he has outright speed........he has shown the ability to be a tough racer..............when Schuey tried to serve it up to MW, and MW gave it right back to him in spades, n Schuey, even tho he saw it coming, could do nothing about it, and started thinking about retirement.....marked MW as a tough racer.....I think that if Scott could get a quicker seat, we would soon find him out. One way or another.
I agree that he is a tough racer, i just dont think he is the quickest guy out there.
I think Seebass, for one, would wipe the floor with him in equal equipment.
If it was me, I would jump at an extension on my contract beyond 2007. He may not get a better offer
N I think Will Power is better than Seebass, therefore, by natural progression, Will should be in a Ferrari, or McLaren....or Renault....etc
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:20 am
by GhoGho
Julian Mayo wrote:GhoGho wrote:Julian Mayo wrote:
I would like to see if he has outright speed........he has shown the ability to be a tough racer..............when Schuey tried to serve it up to MW, and MW gave it right back to him in spades, n Schuey, even tho he saw it coming, could do nothing about it, and started thinking about retirement.....marked MW as a tough racer.....I think that if Scott could get a quicker seat, we would soon find him out. One way or another.
I agree that he is a tough racer, i just dont think he is the quickest guy out there.
I think Seebass, for one, would wipe the floor with him in equal equipment.
If it was me, I would jump at an extension on my contract beyond 2007. He may not get a better offer
N I think Will Power is better than Seebass, therefore, by natural progression, Will should be in a Ferrari, or McLaren....or Renault....etc
I also don't think that there will be a huge difference in equipment between RBR and STR.
The biggest difference is in the drivers, DC/MW vs VL/SS. My money would be on DC/MW (smaller odds but better chance)
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:56 am
by Julian Mayo
GhoGho wrote:Julian Mayo wrote:GhoGho wrote:
I agree that he is a tough racer, i just dont think he is the quickest guy out there.
I think Seebass, for one, would wipe the floor with him in equal equipment.
If it was me, I would jump at an extension on my contract beyond 2007. He may not get a better offer
N I think Will Power is better than Seebass, therefore, by natural progression, Will should be in a Ferrari, or McLaren....or Renault....etc
I also don't think that there will be a huge difference in equipment between RBR and STR.
The biggest difference is in the drivers, DC/MW vs VL/SS. My money would be on DC/MW (smaller odds but better chance)
And Renault v Ferrari customer engines
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:28 pm
by gkaytaz
GhoGho wrote:
I also don't think that there will be a huge difference in equipment between RBR and STR.
The biggest difference is in the drivers, DC/MW vs VL/SS. My money would be on DC/MW (smaller odds but better chance)
As JM pointed out there'll be a difference in the engine department. Add a pinch of experienced drivers into the mix and... Well anyway, personally I see RBR easily beating STR.
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:06 pm
by cmlean
As far as customer engines, they are two of the best in the business.
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:31 pm
by Julian Mayo
I believe this has been discussed elsewhere, Renault Customers have beaten Renault, Ferrari customers have never beaten Ferrari.
That is not to imply for 1 second that Ferrari has deliberately done wrong by their customers. An engine is designed to fit a chassis.....the chassis always comes first. a 2 ml difference in the mounting point attachement to the block can create a nightmare for the customer. By 2008 I am sure Newey will have a chassis specifically for the customer engine. This year...........
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:57 pm
by GhoGho
Julian Mayo wrote:I believe this has been discussed elsewhere, Renault Customers have beaten Renault, Ferrari customers have never beaten Ferrari.
That is not to imply for 1 second that Ferrari has deliberately done wrong by their customers. An engine is designed to fit a chassis.....the chassis always comes first. a 2 ml difference in the mounting point attachement to the block can create a nightmare for the customer. By 2008 I am sure Newey will have a chassis specifically for the customer engine. This year...........
This is true, but Ferrari has never supplied an engine to a team with a chassis good enough to beat them. This also applies this season, i dont think Spyker or STR will be good enough to beat the Ferrari even if the engines were identical.
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:37 am
by gkaytaz
GhoGho wrote:Julian Mayo wrote:I believe this has been discussed elsewhere, Renault Customers have beaten Renault, Ferrari customers have never beaten Ferrari.
That is not to imply for 1 second that Ferrari has deliberately done wrong by their customers. An engine is designed to fit a chassis.....the chassis always comes first. a 2 ml difference in the mounting point attachement to the block can create a nightmare for the customer. By 2008 I am sure Newey will have a chassis specifically for the customer engine. This year...........
This is true, but Ferrari has never supplied an engine to a team with a chassis good enough to beat them. This also applies this season, i dont think Spyker or STR will be good enough to beat the Ferrari even if the engines were identical.
Not to mention the drivers...
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:37 am
by Julian Mayo
Hmmmm........it may be something to do with the fact that moving the engine mounts just a tad can present the customer with all sorts of Vibration problems etc
GK?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:38 am
by gkaytaz
Julian Mayo wrote:By 2008 I am sure Newey will have a chassis specifically for the customer engine. This year...........
That's why I think they'll have a tough first half but recover later on...
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:39 am
by gkaytaz
Julian Mayo wrote:Hmmmm........it may be something to do with the fact that moving the engine mounts just a tad can present the customer with all sorts of Vibration problems etc
GK?
Yeah, spot on!
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:41 am
by gkaytaz
GhoGho wrote:Julian Mayo wrote:I believe this has been discussed elsewhere, Renault Customers have beaten Renault, Ferrari customers have never beaten Ferrari.
That is not to imply for 1 second that Ferrari has deliberately done wrong by their customers. An engine is designed to fit a chassis.....the chassis always comes first. a 2 ml difference in the mounting point attachement to the block can create a nightmare for the customer. By 2008 I am sure Newey will have a chassis specifically for the customer engine. This year...........
This is true, but Ferrari has never supplied an engine to a team with a chassis good enough to beat them. This also applies this season, i dont think Spyker or STR will be good enough to beat the Ferrari even if the engines were identical.
Main reason why I oppose the concept of buying a car as a whole... Teams should develop their own chassis to honor what F1 represents.
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:42 am
by Julian Mayo
gkaytaz wrote:Julian Mayo wrote:Hmmmm........it may be something to do with the fact that moving the engine mounts just a tad can present the customer with all sorts of Vibration problems etc
GK?
Yeah, spot on!
That makes two cynical buggas
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:43 am
by Julian Mayo
gkaytaz wrote:GhoGho wrote:Julian Mayo wrote:I believe this has been discussed elsewhere, Renault Customers have beaten Renault, Ferrari customers have never beaten Ferrari.
That is not to imply for 1 second that Ferrari has deliberately done wrong by their customers. An engine is designed to fit a chassis.....the chassis always comes first. a 2 ml difference in the mounting point attachement to the block can create a nightmare for the customer. By 2008 I am sure Newey will have a chassis specifically for the customer engine. This year...........
This is true, but Ferrari has never supplied an engine to a team with a chassis good enough to beat them. This also applies this season, i dont think Spyker or STR will be good enough to beat the Ferrari even if the engines were identical.
Main reason why I oppose the concept of buying a car as a whole... Teams should develop their own chassis to honor what F1 represents.
The Safety Code will prevent any more Colin Chapman fellas I hope
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:45 am
by gkaytaz
Julian Mayo wrote:gkaytaz wrote:GhoGho wrote:
This is true, but Ferrari has never supplied an engine to a team with a chassis good enough to beat them. This also applies this season, i dont think Spyker or STR will be good enough to beat the Ferrari even if the engines were identical.
Main reason why I oppose the concept of buying a car as a whole... Teams should develop their own chassis to honor what F1 represents.
The Safety Code will prevent any more Colin Chapman fellas I hope
That's (hopefully) a calculated risk