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lol, did you just change your location for me?

rah wrote: "Gives team orders" kind of lends itself to presentence. I wasn't really thinking about the glory days. But if you need to go to the ridiculous in the name of argument then thats fine.

I was also not defending Ferrari's policies at all nor even mentioning it. I was merely pointing out something about your post's.

I think I can agreee with Kappy, lets agree to disagree. However if someone re-reads all these posts and discovers what we were agrouing about then please let me know.

Ridiculous

I gave you actual cases where team orders were not applied from the late 90's and 80's and you call them ridiculous

There are no examples from this decade because Ferrari with their single driver + helper dominated until this year.

What is ridiculous is claiming something that isn't based on any fact but simply a feeling that if Ferrari does it then the other teams must be doing it too.

The ridiculous is to beleive teams hire two very competent drivers only to tell one of them to help the other even if they have a chance to win the title.

It is sad that some have gotten so much used to Ferrari's philosphy that they are convinced that is the norm. People, there still is team-mate rivarly.

Perhaps next year Montoya will not ride a bike early in the season and Fisichella starts looking after his car then you'll see the light

Until then we can all live with our ridiculous thoughts

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote: "Gives team orders" kind of lends itself to presentence. I wasn't really thinking about the glory days. But if you need to go to the ridiculous in the name of argument then thats fine.

I was also not defending Ferrari's policies at all nor even mentioning it. I was merely pointing out something about your post's.

I think I can agreee with Kappy, lets agree to disagree. However if someone re-reads all these posts and discovers what we were agrouing about then please let me know.

Ridiculous

I gave you actual cases where team orders were not applied from the late 90's and 80's and you call them ridiculous

There are no examples from this decade because Ferrari with their single driver + helper dominated until this year.

What is ridiculous is claiming something that isn't based on any fact but simply a feeling that if Ferrari does it then the other teams must be doing it too.

The ridiculous is to beleive teams hire two very competent drivers only to tell one of them to help the other even if they have a chance to win the title.

It is sad that some have gotten so much used to Ferrari's philosphy that they are convinced that is the norm. People, there still is team-mate rivarly.

Perhaps next year Montoya will not ride a bike early in the season and Fisichella starts looking after his car then you'll see the light

Until then we can all live with our ridiculous thoughts

But what brand of car will Fisi have, to look after?

Good question

JayVee wrote:Good question

thank you

Not interested in this topic anymore

JayVee wrote:

rah wrote: "Gives team orders" kind of lends itself to presentence. I wasn't really thinking about the glory days. But if you need to go to the ridiculous in the name of argument then thats fine.

I was also not defending Ferrari's policies at all nor even mentioning it. I was merely pointing out something about your post's.

I think I can agreee with Kappy, lets agree to disagree. However if someone re-reads all these posts and discovers what we were agrouing about then please let me know.

Ridiculous

I gave you actual cases where team orders were not applied from the late 90's and 80's and you call them ridiculous

There are no examples from this decade because Ferrari with their single driver + helper dominated until this year.

What is ridiculous is claiming something that isn't based on any fact but simply a feeling that if Ferrari does it then the other teams must be doing it too.

The ridiculous is to beleive teams hire two very competent drivers only to tell one of them to help the other even if they have a chance to win the title.

It is sad that some have gotten so much used to Ferrari's philosphy that they are convinced that is the norm. People, there still is team-mate rivarly.

Perhaps next year Montoya will not ride a bike early in the season and Fisichella starts looking after his car then you'll see the light

Until then we can all live with our ridiculous thoughts

This is getting tyring. I feel like I am going round in circles. hehe.

But I will have another crack at it, why I do not know.

The 80's bears little if any relevance on the corporate controlled F1 of today. I am sure, if not positive that there was plenty of rivalry in the old days which would mean drivers from the same team competing with each other. In fact that was some of the best racing. But I see little relevance to today.

No, I don't think that all the teams have a designated support driver like ferrari. I also don't like how ferrari have this policy. But I do think that all teams have team orders. Do I have absolute proof that all teams have team orders? no I do not. But some things are obvious.

What is ridiculous is claiming something that isn't based on any fact but simply a feeling that if Ferrari does it then the other teams must be doing it too.

The ridiculous is to beleive teams hire two very competent drivers only to tell one of them to help the other even if they have a chance to win the title.

It is sad that some have gotten so much used to Ferrari's philosphy that they are convinced that is the norm. People, there still is team-mate rivarly

I agree it is ridiculous. Who claimed it? Who said it? What are you on about?[/quote]

Ok all over again!!!

just read the thursday press conf,one question obviously caught my eye

Q: (Steve Cooper ? F1 Racing) To Giancarlo and Juan Pablo, although team orders are banned, do you have a plan?
JPM: From my point of view, I have to do the best I can for the team. Using the example of Hungary, I let Kimi by on the first lap because he was on a weaker strategy and he needed to be further up to take advantage of that. In a way I handed it to him but it would have looked silly if I had been out of the race later on and Michael had won it, so if an opportunity comes up like that to help then yeah, but that's as far as it goes.
GF: In our team the most important thing is to score lots of points for the Constructors? Championship and Fernando has a good gap in the Drivers? Championship so he doesn't need help any more.

No they call it PLAN

Whatever

Stone the flamin crows, that sounds like TEAM ORDERS

julian mayo wrote:Stone the flamin crows, that sounds like TEAM ORDERS

No way Julian,do u have a FACT to prove it!!!

Kapel wrote:

julian mayo wrote:Stone the flamin crows, that sounds like TEAM ORDERS

No way Julian,do u have a FACT to prove it!!!

But I only said "sounds like"..... but on the other hand....and then....Nah, think I will go to the bar instead

Yeah,Bar is better

What Montoya said makes sense. He would look silly blocking Raikkonen and letting Michael get away. He was much heavier and had he not retired he would have won the race. I wouldn't call that a team order.

I reckon if a driver isn't fighting for the championship they shouldn't take away points from their teammate (I sort of agree with JayVee here )

Graham Ross wrote:What Montoya said makes sense. He would look silly blocking Raikkonen and letting Michael get away. He was much heavier and had he not retired he would have won the race. I wouldn't call that a team order.

I reckon if a driver isn't fighting for the championship they shouldn't take away points from their teammate (I sort of agree with JayVee here )

Aarrggghhh, they have all just quietened down. Don't stir the flamin possum