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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:25 pm
by Kapel
Winning at Imo;a is being too optimistic
,are u sure ur Julian and not K-D or Da style
Bridgestone
cannot get a tyre overnite to last the entire distance.
Ferrari need to come from Imola with atleast10-12 points,if they r to stay in contention.
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:11 am
by JayVee
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:07 am
by JayVee
K-D wrote:F1 needs a full grid, the current 20 cars is not enough. In addition F1 needs diversity in winners both between drivers, teams and manufacturers. However the setup under which f1 is fought out does not make it possible to agree on this.
A list (litany??) of problems:
1) No overtaking
2) To few winners
3) One team dominates
Ad. 1) ? The aerodynamic grip of the cars are close to insane, and the ?dirty? air behind the cars mean that a substancially faster car can not overtake. In addition the carbon brakes, have the cars stopping in breaking distances which defy logic ? go to see a race live, and the first time they power past you think that they will obviously crash and never make the turn.
A fairly easy way to change this is to reduce aero-grip substancially. Look at the cars and they have sprouted winglets all over the car. Ban all of them, give the teams two wings. One in front and one at the rear, with a fixed area in ?x? number of square centimetres. Then let them make which ever type of wing they want, as many tiers as they want, but they can not exceed the total area. All other wings are gone (note to rule makers, kindly formulate in clear and uncertain terms what a wing, winglet and aerodynamic devise is). Whatever decrease in aero-grip that is agreed as the preferable will deem the allowed total size of the wings. If the designers claw back to much, the aere is reduced.
Ban carbon brakes. They have no business in the world outside Autoracing, and regardless of often stated claims that there is no difference between them and steel brakes, no team has run a race with steel-brakes for +15 years.
The reduced aero, and poorer brakes will make for longer braking distances making for more overtaking.
Water and sweep the track every morning before a practise and race. A ?fleet? of sweepers can clean the track in at most a couple of hours. The intention to make the track as green as possible, and remove all the leftover marbles, so it is no longer only possible to can go really fast on the racing line.
Ban pitstops!!! ? You start and finish the race with all the fuel and tires needed. This will also induce more overtaking.
I understand that Ferrari is standing alone against the other 9 teams, but I do not agree that then make them the ones standing against progress. You can make the same argument about the group of nine, who have on occasion not invited Ferrari, and on occasion not shown at meetings called by the international federation.
Let see, I don't think more than 20 cars will make things much more interesting. It would be better if the 20 cars are closely matched!
You will always get freaks who will unsettle the formula. In any sport we have seen players/teams dominate so there is no point discussing ways to prevent drivers/teams not dominating. It won't happen
There is a suggestion to reduce downforce by 90%, that will be like no wings!, it may be a solution but evertime you change the rules, you are introducing more costs and more chances that a team will get it right and dominate. Leave the regs as they are for 2 or 3 seasons before fiddling
Steel brakes are much heavier that's why they are not used. Zanardi tried them back in 99 at Williams though
Watering the track may have merit but you are assuming only a F1 event. But all weekends have other support events that people would rather watch than observing people in green bathing the track
I don't mind pit stops, they introduce a small element of unpredictability and makes the race more of a team effort.
Of course many of these ideas (except for the free morning track wash) have been applied to F1 at one stage or another but there was always teams and drivers dominating.
Don't mess with the Formula for a few years, limit testing (Friday only then qualifying on Saturday and Race on Sunday) and things will come right even for Minardi
If Bambinos don't like it they can go away. I am not a traditionalist and I don't care if there are no Ferraris for a year or two. Ferrari needs F1 too!
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:23 am
by Julian Mayo
Yes, you are
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:46 am
by Julian Mayo
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:00 pm
by JayVee
Yes I am what ?
The Bambinos in a V10 Eurocar series
Maybe the BWC series (B grade engines, gearboxes, tyres, the lot!)
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:29 pm
by Julian Mayo
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:22 pm
by JayVee
that is why there is a bloody quote thingy on the right their you can click so we know who are you replying to
Let me guess, you've broken that bit of the screen with axe
Time lag
20 hours later
You meant Da Style of course (or were you trying to stir
)
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:06 am
by K-D
JayVee wrote:
that is why there is a bloody quote thingy on the right their you can click so we know who are you replying to
Let me guess, you've broken that bit of the screen with axe
Time lag
20 hours later
You meant Da Style of course (or were you trying to stir
)
Shanken not stirred..
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:09 am
by Graham Ross
SGD, what about SGD ?
Good tip JayVee
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:05 pm
by JayVee
Graham Ross wrote:Good tip JayVee
I thought so
but then he went and got a mouse
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:17 am
by Julian Mayo
JayVee wrote:Graham Ross wrote:Good tip JayVee
I thought so
but then he went and got a mouse
But never, ever, a cat
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:41 am
by sgd
Today:
"The team set out deliberately to gain an illegitimate and unfair advantage over other teams, an act prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sports generally," the FIA claimed.
Wow, it was just a lapsus lecturis, but any way, this suits Todt's team VERY good!!
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:50 am
by sgd
maybe ferrari are not thr only who cheats,
maybe, bur ferrari for a long tiem will remain as the Masters of the cheat and FIA-manipulation!
F1 without Todt, Mosley and Bernie -> A real racing series (not a politically driven circus!)
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 2:00 am
by F1greyhound
Could anybody rename this topic, I mean isnt it a bunch of random thoughts plus SGDs conspiracy theory??
I do not think a topic may be substantially insultant against anyone, team or driver...
CHEERS!
