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If points are taken away it will probably only be manufacturers points, not drivers points.Julian Mayo wrote:Just a thought, .....if the FIA strips points from McLaren, or outs them for the season, and that has a perceived detrimental effect on Mercedes/McLaren business outside of F1, would they counter- sue Mad Max for mega-millions?
If it can be proved that McLaren benefited by the data, the drivers will lose points alsoGhoGho wrote:If points are taken away it will probably only be manufacturers points, not drivers points.Julian Mayo wrote:Just a thought, .....if the FIA strips points from McLaren, or outs them for the season, and that has a perceived detrimental effect on Mercedes/McLaren business outside of F1, would they counter- sue Mad Max for mega-millions?
Weird, but then we are talking about the Bernie Max show.
McLaren is concerned that erroneous speculation has arisen from inaccurate and misleading reference to the contents of confidential legal papers filed at court in response to Ferrari’s UK action to recover its intellectual property. This is unfortunate and is prejudicial to a fair interpretation of these matters.
McLaren can confirm from its own investigation that no Ferrari materials or data are or have ever been in the possession of any McLaren employee other than the individual sued by Ferrari. The fact that he held at his home unsolicited materials from Ferrari was not known to any other member of the team prior to the 3rd July 2007.
Furthermore, McLaren has categorically established that no Ferrari information has at any stage been used to develop its car.
McLaren looks forward to having the opportunity to present the complete and accurate picture of events in the appropriate forum, that is before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 26th July 2007.
There is a suggestion that the Mclaren protest against Ferrari's flexible floor early in the season may have arisen from knowledge gained from these documents. It may just be a convenient connection but it is very believable and doesnt actually conflict with the Mclaren statement.Julian Mayo wrote:If it can be proved that McLaren benefited by the data, the drivers will lose points alsoGhoGho wrote:If points are taken away it will probably only be manufacturers points, not drivers points.Julian Mayo wrote:Just a thought, .....if the FIA strips points from McLaren, or outs them for the season, and that has a perceived detrimental effect on Mercedes/McLaren business outside of F1, would they counter- sue Mad Max for mega-millions?
Weird, but then we are talking about the Bernie Max show.
Who..........me?Julian Mayo wrote:cmlean wrote:So he'll just out them for 2/3/4 GP's. With Hambone always finishing on the podium and Alonso also in the points, that will drop them below Ferrari in the manufacturers, Massa & Kimi in the drivers and we can start the season all over again.Greetings Fellow Cynic
Thanks for giving us real information Ed. As you can tell we all have some wild ideas.Ed wrote:The latest statement from McLaren:
McLaren is concerned that erroneous speculation has arisen from inaccurate and misleading reference to the contents of confidential legal papers filed at court in response to Ferrari’s UK action to recover its intellectual property. This is unfortunate and is prejudicial to a fair interpretation of these matters.
McLaren can confirm from its own investigation that no Ferrari materials or data are or have ever been in the possession of any McLaren employee other than the individual sued by Ferrari. The fact that he held at his home unsolicited materials from Ferrari was not known to any other member of the team prior to the 3rd July 2007.
Furthermore, McLaren has categorically established that no Ferrari information has at any stage been used to develop its car.
McLaren looks forward to having the opportunity to present the complete and accurate picture of events in the appropriate forum, that is before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 26th July 2007.
Definitely not! It could do good to Mercedes announcing that their cars contain parts made by using Ferrari technologyJulian Mayo wrote:Just a thought, .....if the FIA strips points from McLaren, or outs them for the season, and that has a perceived detrimental effect on Mercedes/McLaren business outside of F1, would they counter- sue Mad Max for mega-millions?
Cynics 'r UsJulian Mayo wrote:cmlean wrote:So he'll just out them for 2/3/4 GP's. With Hambone always finishing on the podium and Alonso also in the points, that will drop them below Ferrari in the manufacturers, Massa & Kimi in the drivers and we can start the season all over again.
Yeah I agree. FIA would automatically think that the McL drivers also took advantage of the technology theft situation. Sounds unfair though.Julian Mayo wrote:If it can be proved that McLaren benefited by the data, the drivers will lose points alsoGhoGho wrote:If points are taken away it will probably only be manufacturers points, not drivers points.Julian Mayo wrote:Just a thought, .....if the FIA strips points from McLaren, or outs them for the season, and that has a perceived detrimental effect on Mercedes/McLaren business outside of F1, would they counter- sue Mad Max for mega-millions?
Weird, but then we are talking about the Bernie Max show.
Convenient, yes. However if that is true the FIA will find a way to make it conflict with the said statement.Redhead wrote: There is a suggestion that the Mclaren protest against Ferrari's flexible floor early in the season may have arisen from knowledge gained from these documents. It may just be a convenient connection but it is very believable and doesnt actually conflict with the Mclaren statement.
Thanks Ed.jacfan wrote: Thanks for giving us real information Ed. As you can tell we all have some wild ideas.
What's a discussion about F1 without a few crazy ideas/rumors? 
Nothing my friend. Just nice to have some truth every so often.gkaytaz wrote:Thanks Ed.jacfan wrote: Thanks for giving us real information Ed. As you can tell we all have some wild ideas.
But jacfan, we are just having a healthy discussion here
Gee, I expected McLaren to sayjacfan wrote:Thanks for giving us real information Ed. As you can tell we all have some wild ideas.Ed wrote:The latest statement from McLaren:
McLaren is concerned that erroneous speculation has arisen from inaccurate and misleading reference to the contents of confidential legal papers filed at court in response to Ferrari’s UK action to recover its intellectual property. This is unfortunate and is prejudicial to a fair interpretation of these matters.
McLaren can confirm from its own investigation that no Ferrari materials or data are or have ever been in the possession of any McLaren employee other than the individual sued by Ferrari. The fact that he held at his home unsolicited materials from Ferrari was not known to any other member of the team prior to the 3rd July 2007.
Furthermore, McLaren has categorically established that no Ferrari information has at any stage been used to develop its car.
McLaren looks forward to having the opportunity to present the complete and accurate picture of events in the appropriate forum, that is before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 26th July 2007.
That would have been dangerous. If McL admitted to so much as sniffing at the data the FIA would have found a reason to penalize them...Julian Mayo wrote:
Gee, I expected McLaren to say
"Yes we were in new about the Ferrari data, that's why we protested their floor!!Yes we knew where the data was, and some of our top people examined it very carefully, but it was never at McLaren!!!
