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Post by RE30B#16 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:51 am

RE30B#16 wrote:Nevermind that my sceenname is that of a 25 year old F1 car, If you need more evidence of my qualifications to make my comments, I have been watching this sport since Jackie won his first WC. That was something like 35 years ago!

I don't want to sound condescending, but perhaps you should preview your posts before you submit them.

Jackie Stewart, that is!
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Post by Julian Mayo » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:49 am

RE30B#16 wrote:
Redhead wrote:JayVee, RE30B#16,

The ?smug comments? that ticked me off were these,
JayVee wrote:
It is amazing isn't it RE30B#16 :shock: :shock:

He just happened to be in the right car maybe :shock: :shock:
Fisichella is also in the right car :shock: :shock: :shock: :D
Being told by RE30B#16, that I need to ?open my eyes and consider what has been going on for the past two years? , is condescending at best, insulting at worst, to someone who is passionate about and pays as much attention to modern F1 as closely as I do. And you concurred with him JayVee.
Redhead, JayVee has a mind of his own. He agreed with my remark. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't understand the shock you are feeling if you are sincere in your sentiment about wanting to put this thing to bed.

I could let this fly by, but I won't. As Snowy pointed out, we have a war going on, and maybe it wouldn't be if people stood their ground to make other come fully correct. I might suggest it is you who is the smug one right now considering you are responding to a post I made, directly to JayVee, and not to the both of us which has me wondering if I should contrue that as being dismissive of me and everything I said. Is this your intent?

Why is it so unnerving that RE30B#16 (my name is Chris, BTW) made the remark about "opening your eyes" versus anyone else on this forum? I respect your years of passion for this sport as I do for everyone here. Their are no casual fans of F1 on this forum, so I'm not sure why you are so incredulous that JayVee should concurr with my remarks which were totally reasonable considering your remarks which triggered them. Nevermind that my sceenname is that of a 25 year old F1 car, If you need more evidence of my qualifications to make my comments, I have been watching this sport since Jackie won his first WC. That was something like 35 years ago!

I don't want to sound condescending, but perhaps you should preview your posts before you submit them.

:shock: Dead Man Walking :shock: :no: :no: :no: :no: :compute: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn:
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Post by JayVee » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:15 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:

:shock: Dead Man Walking :shock: :no: :no: :no: :no: :compute: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn:
JayVee is of the extremely feminine form.
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:alright: :alright: He's not the first :wink:
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Post by JayVee » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:23 pm

Redhead wrote:JayVee, RE30B#16,

The ?smug comments? that ticked me off were these,
JayVee wrote:
RE30B#16 wrote: If you still need evidence of FA's ability, open your eyes and consider what has been going on for the past 2 years.
It is amazing isn't it RE30B#16 :shock: :shock:

He just happened to be in the right car maybe :shock: :shock:
Fisichella is also in the right car :shock: :shock: :shock: :D
Being told by RE30B#16, that I need to ?open my eyes and consider what has been going on for the past two years? , is condescending at best, insulting at worst, to someone who is passionate about and pays as much attention to modern F1 as closely as I do. And you concurred with him JayVee.

Also in that quote is the basis for me thinking I was falsely accused of saying FA is only WDC because of the car. The comment ?He just happened to be in the right car maybe? is sarcastically representing what you think I am saying. Am I really fooling myself?
Good try Redhead :clap: :clap: ,

I am sure you pay attention!

You accused me of being one dimensional before this post was even made. Doesn't one dimensional mean I only open my eyes towards a certain direction and keep them closed in another ? Isn't that condescending at best and insulting at worst :shock: :shock:
But good try

But on this 'selective' issue that you chose, I said that I was amazed that you still need proof (evidence) of Alonso's ability and before that post I listed some of Alonso's acheivements in a 'non dominant' car which you didn't comment on.

As for my comment on being in the right car, Redhead did you read the second line ? If it was the car then Fisichella should be fighting for the championship too.
I thought it is was self explanatory: Look at Alonso and Fisichella, they race in the same car yet compare the results, it highlights the driver and NOT the car !!!
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Post by JayVee » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:34 pm

Redhead wrote:
JayVee wrote:Oh and one more thing Redhead,

What is your definition of "a truly great driver" ?
And when a driver gets results in car that shouldn't, what would they become ?

:shock: :D :wink:
I wouldnt have thought "truly great" was really so difficult to comprehend, as I have already said in this thread, I wouldn't rate any driver any higher than that. Not MS, not anyone.

So when he does eventually get results in a car that he shouldnt, he will still be merely "truly great"

The original point I was trying to make can perhaps be captured by a question like "How would FA have gone in last years Ferrari, last years Mclaren, last years Williams" that sort of thing. If he was in last years Mclaren, would he have broken it as often as Kimi did? These are questions FA's career will eventually answer, because he wont be sitting in the best car every year.
Thanks for answering my question about truly great. I am not sure if I understand your logic because it sounds to me like this:

X is a truly great driver but X has yet to prove his ability in winning in a car that shouldn't and then he will still be truly great !!

But it is an explanation nonetheless!

Really though, if you haven't really appreciated what Alonso has already done in the 03 and 04 Renaults, you'll see what Alonso will do in the McLaren next year! (And I do hope he doesn't dominate because of his car :shock: :shock: )
Redhead wrote: As for one-dimensional JayVee, it refers to your monotony, do the stats on "MS and his dirty tactics" barely a post of yours goes without it, often several times. As for petty, your response to F1greyhound serves my point, you pick apart his error about last years results but miss a far more serious (IMHO) error regarding 1994.

And does replying "Like your posts", to F1greyhounds comment "This is tiring" fall within your charter of www etiqutte? I know I've been rude but I'm not claiming the moral high ground here.
I have over 2500 posts (I am sure you've noticed) so please do the stats on my supposedly repititive posts on your driver. You'll probably find that the rate of your posts praising your driver are higher :shock: :shock:

Funny how correcting a statement is considered "picking apart". The statement by F1greyhound not only made an error but ridiculed the results
of two drivers who pretty much had the same result as your driver.
The 94 issue I don't really like to discuss (I think history would have been very different without that accident in 94 )
Anyway, am I supposed to reply to someone based on what you think ????? If you thought F1greyhound's post had a far more serious error, why didn't you respond ? Or you let it go because he also favours your driver ?

Now as for the etiquite, I am no angel but I have never initiated a rude comment to anyone. I will however reply to someone who accuses me of something with whatever comment I see fit. In the case of F1greyhound, I simply replied back with the same

And I have already explained why I thought you 'barged' into this discussion.
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Post by RE30B#16 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:35 pm

JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:

:shock: Dead Man Walking :shock: :no: :no: :no: :no: :compute: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn:
JayVee is of the extremely feminine form.
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:alright: :alright: He's not the first :wink:
Oooops!!! :oops:

My face is red. I stand corrected!!!

:? :compute:
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