Renault to supply Red Bull GmbH with F1 engines in 07/08

[gkaytaz]

Do you think? I'd have said they get the last but one spec engine. Didn't Renault have a bit of a rush on the get the last engine homogilated?

He said "theoretically" Anyway, the difference in engine specs will cost a few tenths but the real determining factor will be the drivers. F1 will become more driver-oriented, which is cool.

Yip, now if they brought back manual g'boxes, and steel brakes

I haven't checked lately but at some point they were pondering those very ideas. Manual shifting seemed to be high on that list.

[Julian Mayo]

Theoretically the engines should be identical......If I were in the REDBull team I would have the best engine mappers taping the sound of engines in the Renaults whenever possible

Do you think? I'd have said they get the last but one spec engine. Didn't Renault have a bit of a rush on the get the last engine homogilated?

Ed will have the right gen on it, as I understand it, the engines were sealed at the last GP, and these will be blue-printed....anything outside that spec is verboten.....so theoretically the customers should get identical spec engines

[gkaytaz]

Theoretically the engines should be identical......If I were in the REDBull team I would have the best engine mappers taping the sound of engines in the Renaults whenever possible

Do you think? I'd have said they get the last but one spec engine. Didn't Renault have a bit of a rush on the get the last engine homogilated?

Ed will have the right gen on it, as I understand it, the engines were sealed at the last GP, and these will be blue-printed....anything outside that spec is verboten.....so theoretically the customers should get identical spec engines

If that is what will really happen... Very nice!

[Julian Mayo]

He said "theoretically" Anyway, the difference in engine specs will cost a few tenths but the real determining factor will be the drivers. F1 will become more driver-oriented, which is cool.

Yip, now if they brought back manual g'boxes, and steel brakes

I haven't checked lately but at some point they were pondering those very ideas. Manual shifting seemed to be high on that list.

In V8 supercars the pads cost about $1000......the steel rotors are about $10,000.....gawd knows what those carbon laminate F1 jobs cost

[Julian Mayo]

Do you think? I'd have said they get the last but one spec engine. Didn't Renault have a bit of a rush on the get the last engine homogilated?

Ed will have the right gen on it, as I understand it, the engines were sealed at the last GP, and these will be blue-printed....anything outside that spec is verboten.....so theoretically the customers should get identical spec engines

If that is what will really happen... Very nice!

I can see a market for dodgy valve stems et al

[gkaytaz]

I can see a market for dodgy valve stems et al

Not to mention some dodgy drivers who can drive stick shift.

[Snowy]

I can see a market for dodgy valve stems et al

Not to mention some dodgy drivers who can drive stick shift.

I remember the good old days when men were real men and women were real women and small fury creatures from Alpha Centauri were capable of changing gear with their teeth

[Julian Mayo]

I can see a market for dodgy valve stems et al

Not to mention some dodgy drivers who can drive stick shift.

I remember the good old days when men were real men and women were real women and small fury creatures from Alpha Centauri were capable of changing gear with their teeth

My ex used to change brake pads with hers

[Snowy]

Not to mention some dodgy drivers who can drive stick shift.

I remember the good old days when men were real men and women were real women and small fury creatures from Alpha Centauri were capable of changing gear with their teeth

My ex used to change brake pads with hers

Jeez that's my kinda gal

[Julian Mayo]

I remember the good old days when men were real men and women were real women and small fury creatures from Alpha Centauri were capable of changing gear with their teeth

My ex used to change brake pads with hers

Jeez that's my kinda gal

Harvey would last about 30 seconds pulling a plough, she don't believe in passengers

[gkaytaz]

Harvey would last about 30 seconds pulling a plough, she don't believe in passengers

Don't underestimate the rodent!

[Snowy]

Harvey would last about 30 seconds pulling a plough, she don't believe in passengers

Don't underestimate the rodent!

Let me reiterate Harvey's no rodent

[Ed]

Theoretically the engines should be identical......If I were in the REDBull team I would have the best engine mappers taping the sound of engines in the Renaults whenever possible

Do you think? I'd have said they get the last but one spec engine. Didn't Renault have a bit of a rush on the get the last engine homogilated?

Ed will have the right gen on it, as I understand it, the engines were sealed at the last GP, and these will be blue-printed....anything outside that spec is verboten.....so theoretically the customers should get identical spec engines

That is correct. I've created a new thread providing some more information on engine homologation but basically the engines used at the last 2 races will be of the same specification as those to be used from 2007 until the end of the 2010 season.

So the Renault engine at the back of the Red Bull will be the same as that at the back of the Renault. Same applies to Ferrari with Spyker and Toro Rosso, Toyota with Williams and Honda with Super Aguri.

However, as we all know, engines alone don't win races. Cosworth had arguably the most powerful engine in 2006. Williams finished 9th!

[Snowy]

However, as we all know, engines alone don't win races. Cosworth had arguably the most powerful engine in 2006. Williams finished 9th!

It wasn't the most powerful at the end or even the middle of the season surely?

Isn't there some way of telling by the sound they make or am I thinking of sommit else?

[Ed]

He said "theoretically" Anyway, the difference in engine specs will cost a few tenths but the real determining factor will be the drivers. F1 will become more driver-oriented, which is cool.

Yip, now if they brought back manual g'boxes, and steel brakes

I haven't checked lately but at some point they were pondering those very ideas. Manual shifting seemed to be high on that list.

There was talk about manual gearboxes but that hasn't made it into the 2008 regs. For 2008 Gearboxes will have to last 4 races with a 5 place grid penalty applied if changed earlier.
Cars will have a standard ECU fitted.

The CFG Wing will not become part of the regulations for 2008. The FIA agreed to defer the introduction of new aero regs until 2009 so that new body work designs are optimised in co-operation with the F1 teams.