In the same car, who is the better driver ?

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:12 am

<T-K> wrote:My turn.....

some call it crazy....but I call it insanity..or intellect....they are both pretty similar

Insightful, frightful

Should I apologise to Blinky?

rah · Post by **rah** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:20 am

Snowy wrote:
<T-K> wrote:My turn.....

some call it crazy....but I call it insanity..or intellect....they are both pretty similar
Insightful, frightful

Should I apologise to Blinky?

What for? having an opinion?

BlinkyBill · Post by **BlinkyBill** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:32 pm

Snowy wrote:
<T-K> wrote:My turn.....

some call it crazy....but I call it insanity..or intellect....they are both pretty similar
Insightful, frightful

Should I apologise to Blinky?

No need to apologise for silliness

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:04 pm

Alonso
Villeneuve
Raikkonen
Montoya
Heidfeld

In qualifying

Alonso
Villeneuve
Trulli
Raikkonen
Webber

IMHO

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:06 pm

Snowy wrote:How's this?.....this is me trying to be as realistic and objective as I can be.

Heikki
Kimi
Fernando
Schu
Jenson(for his consistency)
JPM(If only he hadn't tried to overtake every race)

For 2007, Heikki would also be one of my top 5.

But this year ? Snowy, are you suggesting Fisichella will dumped mid season

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:15 pm

<T-K> wrote:My turn.....

Fonzi
Kimi
Heidfeld
Fisi
Pablo

some call it crazy....but I call it insanity..or intellect....they are both pretty similar

T-K how do you explain this then

<T-K> wrote:Constructors:

1) Williams (Webber will drive the best season of his career...and they fix that gearbox up)
2) Renault (Will be caught off gaurd by Webber's speed)
3) Mclaren (Now that Newey has left...)

...

Drivers:

1) Webber (Will take the Championship by 1 point in the best season of his career)
2) Pablo (will be upset after it looked like he would take the championship)
3) Alonso (In a close field, he will get caught out a couple times)
4) Kimi (Just not enough to take a top three position)

You don't even list Webber in your top 5

yet he wins the championship

Please explain

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:06 pm

Montoya
Raikkonen
Alonso
Webber
Schumacher - (in 2004 as I think he peaked then)

I would keep an eye on Rosberg too.

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:00 pm

Kapel wrote:
BlinkyBill wrote:Could only possibly be a crazy pom.
I concur

Me too!!!

Chris

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:07 pm

The best out there right now are in this order:

Fernando Alonso
Michael Schumacher
Kimi Raikonnen
Juan Pablo Montoya
Giancarlo Fisichella

Any questions?

Chris

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:36 pm

Massa just beat Michael starting from the back

So feel free to to Michael and replace with Massa perhaps a bit lower

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:29 pm

JayVee wrote:Massa just beat Michael starting from the back

So feel free to to Michael and replace with Massa perhaps a bit lower

What did u have for breakfast JayVee.?Doesnt strategy count??
Dont just jump on every opportunity to put Michael down,especially with these stupid conclusion.I thought u had great knowledge & a fair bit of idea of F1 racing.
N even if Michael would have overtaken Massa on track,(sensible, not to overstress their fragile engine)..U my lady-Michaelpekker, would have pronoucned ur views of TEAM ORDERS in ur race views.

Haunt Michael when he's in wrong only,dont over spill.

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:07 pm

Thanks Kapel!

The FERRARI was altogether not great in Sepang.

Regards

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:32 am

JayVee wrote:
<T-K> wrote:My turn.....

Fonzi
Kimi
Heidfeld
Fisi
Pablo

some call it crazy....but I call it insanity..or intellect....they are both pretty similar
T-K how do you explain this then

<T-K> wrote:Constructors:

1) Williams (Webber will drive the best season of his career...and they fix that gearbox up)
2) Renault (Will be caught off gaurd by Webber's speed)
3) Mclaren (Now that Newey has left...)

...

Drivers:

1) Webber (Will take the Championship by 1 point in the best season of his career)
2) Pablo (will be upset after it looked like he would take the championship)
3) Alonso (In a close field, he will get caught out a couple times)
4) Kimi (Just not enough to take a top three position)

You don't even list Webber in your top 5 yet he wins the championship

Please explain

I said that partly because I think he will win it through luck, and partly because I was taking a gamble with my picks.......

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:44 pm

Kapel wrote:What did u have for breakfast JayVee.?Doesnt strategy count??
Dont just jump on every opportunity to put Michael down,especially with these stupid conclusion.I thought u had great knowledge & a fair bit of idea of F1 racing.
N even if Michael would have overtaken Massa on track,(sensible, not to overstress their fragile engine)..U my lady-Michaelpekker, would have pronoucned ur views of TEAM ORDERS in ur race views.

Haunt Michael when he's in wrong only,dont over spill.

Oh please Kapel, why do you resort to these kinds of comments ?

A few points Kapel that I should remind you of:
- You seem to be blaming strategy, remember that both Massa and Michael had the same options, both replaced their engines and if they thought that starting at the back was better than starting in the middle they would have placed Michael at the back too. No Kapel, they knew it was very risky to start at the back and gave Michael the better option and he FAILED to make the best of it
- You don't have to go back too far. In Bahrain Kimi started from the back and finished ahead of Montoya. What did everybody say then about the poor form of Montoya ? Why is it that when it comes to Michael you see things differently ?
- You are implying that Michael could have easily passed Massa towards the end of the race but he didn't to save his engine. Really Kapel ? I thought last year in Monaco he tricked Barrichello and passed him on the last lap. If he had a chance he would have taken it.
On this point let me say that I now have a little bit of respect for Ferrari for not telling Massa to give way to Michael but yes had a problem occured to Massa towards the end of the race, I would have raised the TEAM ORDERS issue Kapel and it wouldn't have been just me but millions of people around the world. Hey didn't you notice the intense camera coverage of the Ferrari team towards the end of the race. I thought at one stage we won't see Fisichella crossing the line.
Overkill for sure, maybe even paranoia but ask yourself why ? It is because of Ferrari's very poor and tranished record in this area. It is as if they are embarassing them into not doing it again and it may have worked

I said it before the start of the season that I hoped Massa will be The Rebel despite sidelining him from driving the new car and you and a few others discounted the possibility of him coming into his own. It is too early yet but from the first two races, I think Michael has one very tough oppenent to deal with and the momentum is with Massa The Rebel - May the Force be with him

Have a good day and good luck in Australia. Michael will need it especially with an old engine

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:59 pm

JayVee,I think u always blow things out of proportion.

Firstly,check the topic of the thread ur writing in.
Secondly,read ur comments for which i had replied too.

If on basis of ONE race,where Massa finished ahead of Michael,you consider him to be better than Michael in the same car,then i shall seriously doubt ur knowledge.

Go read my race views for comments on Massa for Malaysian GP to get a clear picture.