Has everybody gone crazy??

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:31 am

<T-K> wrote: Because in NASCAR, there is always a lot of carnage, which pulls in the viewers

It's not just because of the carnage is it? I suspect it's also because there are so many races, and you have the trucks. It means that if you want a fix of your favourite motor sport and driver you don''t have to wait two weeks. They race on Saturday and Sunday aswell don't they? I also suspect it is a lot cheaper to go to a Nascar meet and there is more support racing. We should never underestimate the power of quantity over quality. However Nascar is quality and quantity so it is obviously going to be going up in popularity compared to the open wheelers who are fighting amongst themselves and have divided the venues.

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:31 am

Snowy wrote:
<T-K> wrote: Because in NASCAR, there is always a lot of carnage, which pulls in the viewers
It's not just because of the carnage is it? I suspect it's also because there are so many races, and you have the trucks. It means that if you want a fix of your favourite motor sport and driver you don''t have to wait two weeks. They race on Saturday and Sunday aswell don't they? I also suspect it is a lot cheaper to go to a Nascar meet and there is more support racing. We should never underestimate the power of quantity over quality. However Nascar is quality and quantity so it is obviously going to be going up in popularity compared to the open wheelers who are fighting amongst themselves and have divided the venues.

Yeah, I go to watch any form of racing, purely because of my love of the sport, and I'm not saying it is only because of the carnage, but it does play a big part in it, I mean, when you have as many cars as you do in a NASCAR field, there is bound to be chaos

and I agree that I would rather go to a race track, knowing that I am going to witness at least 4 or 5 different types of cars driving around, quantity definately overrules quality in most cases.....

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:48 am

I hope those people who love crashes are satisfied today.

If you haven't already seen my other post on the subject, IRL driver Paul Dana, teammate to Danica Patrick and Buddy Rice, lost his life today in a crash during the warmup to the IRL 300 at Hempstead, Florida. The wreck was eeirily similar to Alex Zanardi's crash at the Lausitzring back in 2001 (not quite one week after 9/11, I might add). Driver Ed Carpenter had crashed into the wall and his car moved down the banking into the race line whereupon it was "T-boned" by Rahal/Letterman driver Paul Dana. Both drivers were airlifted to the hospital. Carpenter escaped with nothing worse than a few scratches. Dana was pronounced dead at 12 noon EST.

How does reading about this make you feel? I am glad I did not see it. Over the years, I watched in stunned horror many drivers lose their lives including the late great Ayrton Senna and Dale Earnhardt. The carnage made me contemplate why. It didn't make me clamour for more gore.

Pray for light, for racing, and for each other.

Chris

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:25 pm

It is a sad day, perhaps Mlittle can shed some light on the situation, but it is sad, and tragic to lose someone in any sport, and i dont think anyone likes to see a loss of life.

F1-NUT · Post by **F1-NUT** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:35 pm

RE30B#16 - I'm sorry, but I very much disagree with your moralistic attitude. You or no-one can tell anybody else that they are wrong about the sport they love. We can enjoy it in any way we like, and not be tarred with the brush of your most blatent agism. So young people like crashes and older people like stats, and strategy do they? Utter generalising, simplistic, insulting nonsense. The fact that no-one has pulled you up on this is very surprising.

Crashes and spills are brilliant. They add to the spectacle of a dangerous sport. I, and I suspect nearly everyone else who enjoys a crash, do not get their jollies from seeing people hurt. My reaction to Jos Verstappen going up in a fireball in the pits was 'Oh my God! I hope he's okay' and I was sick to my stomach, but as son as we knew that he was unharmed - it was great! And it was played on the news all over the planet. A great advert for an exciting sport - and if it gets the rubberneckers in to have a look, then someone of them might stay and enjoy the other aspects that racing has to offer.

Now vilify me as some evil git as much as you want, but crashes are great! Oh and so is strategy, overtaking, stats, regardless of your age.

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:29 pm

F1-NUT wrote:RE30B#16 - I'm sorry, but I very much disagree with your moralistic attitude. You or no-one can tell anybody else that they are wrong about the sport they love. We can enjoy it in any way we like, and not be tarred with the brush of your most blatent agism. So young people like crashes and older people like stats, and strategy do they? Utter generalising, simplistic, insulting nonsense. The fact that no-one has pulled you up on this is very surprising.

Crashes and spills are brilliant. They add to the spectacle of a dangerous sport. I, and I suspect nearly everyone else who enjoys a crash, do not get their jollies from seeing people hurt. My reaction to Jos Verstappen going up in a fireball in the pits was 'Oh my God! I hope he's okay' and I was sick to my stomach, but as son as we knew that he was unharmed - it was great! And it was played on the news all over the planet. A great advert for an exciting sport - and if it gets the rubberneckers in to have a look, then someone of them might stay and enjoy the other aspects that racing has to offer.

Now vilify me as some evil git as much as you want, but crashes are great! Oh and so is strategy, overtaking, stats, regardless of your age.

F1-Nut,

I'm very sorry you took my posts so personally. You are free to enjoy the sport however you see fit. I'm curious as to why my comments have raise some much venom within you.

I won't lie and say that a spectacular wreck is not interesting to see occassionally, but to tune in to watch motorracing hoping to see spectacular wrecks is rather moribund to say the least.

My comments are hardly moralistic. We are not living in ancient Rome with gladiators locked in a death match for our entertainment when we watch motorracing, football or any other sport. We are watching skilled professionals demonstrate those skills. If yesterday's events don't make you a bit queasy about just wantin' ta see wrecks like the person who began this thread was commenting about (which was not me), you've got problems.

Maybe I generalize. Maybe you can call my posts simplistic, but I'm never insulting. To that point, perhaps you should have sent me a personal email which is welcome, but at least if you are going to single me out, get your facts straight.

Obviously, any comments I might make about anything on these boards are my stupid opinions. You are entitled to your own as well.

Chris

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:16 am

RE30B#16 wrote: Obviously, any comments I might make about anything on these boards are my stupid opinions. You are entitled to your own as well.

Chris

It is unfortunate indeed that our opinions and motives can be misunderstood, especially at a time like this. All one can ever do is contribute to the debate and when the debating is over almost everyone will have evolved a modified opinion based on a broader horizon; and in this case enlightened by recent events my horizons have moved on. There is no need for rhetoric or apologies we should all just try to learn and to get along in this ever changing and expanding universe.

Nobody should die so young, I wouldn't want my son to grow up to be a racing driver.

F1-NUT · Post by **F1-NUT** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:06 am

RE30B#16 wrote: F1-Nut,

I'm very sorry you took my posts so personally. You are free to enjoy the sport however you see fit. I'm curious as to why my comments have raise some much venom within you.

I won't lie and say that a spectacular wreck is not interesting to see occassionally, but to tune in to watch motorracing hoping to see spectacular wrecks is rather moribund to say the least.

My comments are hardly moralistic. We are not living in ancient Rome with gladiators locked in a death match for our entertainment when we watch motorracing, football or any other sport. We are watching skilled professionals demonstrate those skills. If yesterday's events don't make you a bit queasy about just wantin' ta see wrecks like the person who began this thread was commenting about (which was not me), you've got problems.

Maybe I generalize. Maybe you can call my posts simplistic, but I'm never insulting. To that point, perhaps you should have sent me a personal email which is welcome, but at least if you are going to single me out, get your facts straight.

Obviously, any comments I might make about anything on these boards are my stupid opinions. You are entitled to your own as well.

Chris

Venom? Insulting? No, I disagree. I'm not a flamer and never want to come across as one. You can take my, if you want 'strong' comments any way you like, but they are meant in the spirit of discussion, not as insult. Making out that I'm being insulting, is actually, quite insulting in itself, but I'll let it pass this once

I disagree with you on this point, but it's okay, as people can disagree, we don't always have to have the same point of view, or feel that we have to agree with the majority. So try not to take it too personally. However, saying your argument is simplistic, is not insulting and never meant to be, it's just what it is! You can't generalise like that and expect everyone to agree with you. You are saying young people have no depth and that liking crashes and incidents in sports is wrong. I strongly disagree and can say that I have met people of all ages, backgrounds etc. who love motorsport and I would, and never could generalise about them. They'd probably hit me if I did. Ouch!

Motorsport kills people who are doing what they love. It's desperately sad and we wish it didn't happen, but it does. Senna's death live on TV still upsets me, it was awful, and I never want to have a repeat experience in my life. But just because I like crashes and incidents (where no-one gets hurt obviously) does not mean that I, and others like me, are in the wrong. There is no moralitic high ground here.

Sometimes you have to put your head above the parapet and say your peice. I'd rather everyone felt sorry for the people being tortured and killed around the world, of for the starving millions, and their children, they are the real issues on this planet. I love F1, but it's an elitist sport, in the face of so much poverty in the world. We're lucky to have the chance to be involved at all. And those injured or sadly killed are doing what they love.

Anyway, this is far too heavy for the afternoon - I'm actually going out to buy some nets for the windows - very rock and roll.

F1-NUT · Post by **F1-NUT** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:31 am

Just a quick addendum - I got my nets and they look very nice, especially with all the sun! Can you believe it - a hot and sunny day in Brighton, marvelous!

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:46 am

F1-NUT wrote:Just a quick addendum - I got my nets and they look very nice, especially with all the sun! Can you believe it - a hot and sunny day in Brighton, marvelous!

Almost as rare as South Africa beating England in a cricket match....

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:05 am

<T-K> wrote:
F1-NUT wrote:Just a quick addendum - I got my nets and they look very nice, especially with all the sun! Can you believe it - a hot and sunny day in Brighton, marvelous!

Almost as rare as South Africa beating England in a cricket match....

Hey now T-K, thats a bit low isnt it?

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:47 am

T-K

Just found this:

Ave sunshine for brighton = 1848.6 hours per year (peak at about 300 per month for july and august.

seems not too bad - could be good odds for SA?

F1-NUT · Post by **F1-NUT** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:32 am

GhoGho wrote:T-K

Just found this:

Ave sunshine for brighton = 1848.6 hours per year (peak at about 300 per month for july and august.

seems not too bad - could be good odds for SA?

It is a lot sunnier down here on the coast, the clouds seem to start about a mile inland. But I need the sun, winter is a real trial. And of course, I live opposite the beach, which is great all year around, but especially in the summer. Have been moving slowly south from Derby over the past ten or so years and have not looked back since I moved down here from London.

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:38 am

<T-K> wrote:It is a sad day, perhaps Mlittle can shed some light on the situation, but it is sad, and tragic to lose someone in any sport, and i dont think anyone likes to see a loss of life.

This much we know......the final practice session for the IndyCar Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway had just began when driver Ed Carpenter spun his racecar around and crashed into the outside wall btwn. turns 1-2; the caution lights came out and everyone out on track began slowing down, going high and low to avoid Carpenter's wrecked car as it began to slide down into the racing line. About six-eight seconds after Carpenter's crash, his car's hit from behind by fellow driver Paul Dana's btwn. the left-rear and gearbox/engine area on Carpenter's car. Carpenter, miraculously, escaped with only a bruised lung.....Dana, as we all know, was not so fortunate.

While no one has officially given an explanation as to what happened....there is one item of note. One of the major Spanish-language broadcast networks w/in the United States, Univision, ran a story on what happened at Homestead and they showed the video of the crash and the subsquent collision btwn. Dana and Carpenter's vehicles from both the ABC Sports feed and the on-board from Scott Sharp's racecar. The video's about a minute long, but about two secs. before the crash, it appears as if Dana's car hit a piece of debris off of Carpenter's car btwn the monocoque(center part of chassis) and the right-front suspension..........all I know is this is the one of the worst accidents I have ever seen in autoracing.

Here's the link to the video in question......
www.teamjuicyracing.com/vids/dana1.wmv

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:55 pm

Hey JayVee,where are you??

have you visited this thread lately & read the arguements /accusation /discussions /opinions

We should have been part of this,dont u think

I know we wouldnt have different opinion on this topic for sure