Michael's incident during qualifying (Monaco GP)

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Sun May 28, 2006 6:33 pm

Ed wrote:Thanks Snowy for the timely updates

My

pleasure Ed

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Sun May 28, 2006 7:52 pm

Ed wrote:Thanks Snowy for the timely updates

I think he is trying to take over

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Sun May 28, 2006 8:27 pm

<T-K> wrote:
Ed wrote:Thanks Snowy for the timely updates

I think he is trying to take over

Total World Forum Domination!

I've studied the Michael Schumacher manual for success!

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Sun May 28, 2006 8:33 pm

Snowy wrote:I've studied the Michael Schumacher manual for success!

I only got to read a couple chapters...namely "Dirty Tricks or Lucky Nicks" and "Dont push me, I'll push you" .....quite insightful

lemon_martini2 · Post by **lemon_martini2** » Sun May 28, 2006 8:34 pm

Ferrari's reaction:

Interesting reading...

"Ferrari notes with great displeasure the decision of the race stewards, which is to delete the times set by Michael Schumacher in qualifying for the Monaco Grand Prix," said Jean Todt. "We totally disagree with it. Such a decision creates a very serious precedent, ruling out the possibility of driver error. Michael was on his final timed lap and he was trying to put his first place beyond doubt, as could be seen from the fact that his first split time was the best and could have seen him do another very good lap. With no real evidence, the stewards have assumed he is guilty."
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So the data submitted by them,the telemetry,the statements of Michael,Ross,Jean,the race engineers and computer analyses don't count as evidence....

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Sun May 28, 2006 9:29 pm

Jackie Stewart says Schumacher's driving was not correct! That's good enough for me

If anyone knows what a car and driver can do he does.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon May 29, 2006 8:23 am

Typical MS

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Mon May 29, 2006 9:39 am

Typical comments on MS.

The point is, the evidence cant be clear or great if the penalty had to be discussed for 7-8 hours. Jackie Stewart is indicating Michaels saturation and final season since 2001....so what a surprise. Similar goes for Keke Rosberg who must be frustrated that someone is so much more successfull(or simply better..) than himself who won a WDC without a single victory.

Will every driver who does a similar mistake(and there have been hundreds in the past) in future be put to the back of the grid? What a joke.
Remember the fact that Michael was on pole shouldnt have anything to do with the decision. Would anybody have bothered had he been 3rd or 5th?

The decision is particularly bad for the sport. Something like disqualifying someone for doping without any substance found.

Bundy · Post by **Bundy** » Mon May 29, 2006 10:46 am

F1greyhound wrote:Typical comments on MS.

The point is, the evidence cant be clear or great if the penalty had to be discussed for 7-8 hours. Jackie Stewart is indicating Michaels saturation and final season since 2001....so what a surprise. Similar goes for Keke Rosberg who must be frustrated that someone is so much more successfull(or simply better..) than himself who won a WDC without a single victory.

Will every driver who does a similar mistake(and there have been hundreds in the past) in future be put to the back of the grid? What a joke.
Remember the fact that Michael was on pole shouldnt have anything to do with the decision. Would anybody have bothered had he been 3rd or 5th?

The decision is particularly bad for the sport. Something like disqualifying someone for doping without any substance found.

I don't think it is a bad decision. In fact I think it was the correct decision. MS is not bigger than the sport, that is maybe something he needs to remember

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon May 29, 2006 10:49 am

F1greyhound wrote:Typical comments on MS.

The point is, the evidence cant be clear or great if the penalty had to be discussed for 7-8 hours. Jackie Stewart is indicating Michaels saturation and final season since 2001....so what a surprise. Similar goes for Keke Rosberg who must be frustrated that someone is so much more successfull(or simply better..) than himself who won a WDC without a single victory.

Will every driver who does a similar mistake(and there have been hundreds in the past) in future be put to the back of the grid? What a joke.
Remember the fact that Michael was on pole shouldnt have anything to do with the decision. Would anybody have bothered had he been 3rd or 5th?

The decision is particularly bad for the sport. Something like disqualifying someone for doping without any substance found.

If the FIA had taken a similar stance with some of MS' earlier "indescetions" he may have thought twice about this one.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Mon May 29, 2006 4:42 pm

F1greyhound wrote:Typical comments on MS.

The point is, the evidence cant be clear or great if the penalty had to be discussed for 7-8 hours. Jackie Stewart is indicating Michaels saturation and final season since 2001....so what a surprise. Similar goes for Keke Rosberg who must be frustrated that someone is so much more successfull(or simply better..) than himself who won a WDC without a single victory.

Will every driver who does a similar mistake(and there have been hundreds in the past) in future be put to the back of the grid? What a joke.
Remember the fact that Michael was on pole shouldnt have anything to do with the decision. Would anybody have bothered had he been 3rd or 5th?

The decision is particularly bad for the sport. Something like disqualifying someone for doping without any substance found.

Put the comments by drivers/ex-drivers aside for a moment. The stewards made their decision based on the data they had not on what Stewart or Rosberg or Briatore said. It took a long time because they were analysing the evidence. It is good to see the FIA following a proper process.

I haven't seen hundreds of mistakes made conveniently right at the end of a qualifying session when the driver committing the mistake is on pole and will probably gain advantage from it. Show me 1 mistake of this kind please ?

Fisichella wasn't on Pole and was penalised for blocking Coulthard even if it wasn't deliberate. Fisichella was 5th so it wasn't only for Michael.
It was last year I think when Montoya was given a penalty for causing an accident in practice and started from the back. (incidently, Montoya also finished 5th in the race and didn't benefit from 4 retirements in front of him

Michael said he didn't even know what Alonso was doing. Maybe but you'd have to be really stupid not to think Alonso and the others are on flyers as well just like you ? It is the final minute of qualifying, no he would be having a nap!

So tell me, you really don't mind seeing Michael on Pole even though a number of other drivers looked like bettering his time but for his own mishap ? You support the idea of making a mistake and turning it into your advantage ?? What does the word fair mean to you ?

Michael has done some dirty tricks in the past. This is a fact and nothing to do with my bias against him. He was stripped of his championship points in '97 because of his dirty tricks. As a past offender he will always be scrutinised more than those with a clean past. It is up to him to clean up his act and on Saturday he proved that his dirty side is still there.

And this is why since 1994, I never liked Michael and never ever will (and I never pick him in 8 'n' Pole either

)

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Mon May 29, 2006 7:54 pm

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:19 am

What if he simply made a mistake? Only himself can know....

Pretty likely the FIA decided to give the Championship to RENAULT, on an initiative from the always super fair FLAVIO B.

A grid penalty like for FISICO, that is 5 places would have been ok.

Just my opinion

lemon_martini2 · Post by **lemon_martini2** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:23 am

F1greyhound wrote: Similar goes for Keke Rosberg who must be frustrated that someone is so much more successfull(or simply better..) than himself who won a WDC without a single victory.

Ahem... he won one race in 1982...

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue May 30, 2006 2:50 pm

F1greyhound wrote:What if he simply made a mistake? Only himself can know....

Pretty likely the FIA decided to give the Championship to RENAULT, on an initiative from the always super fair FLAVIO B.

A grid penalty like for FISICO, that is 5 places would have been ok.

Just my opinion

Renault don't need favours to win the championship. Besides, the closest team to the FIA is Ferrari. There is no question about that.
Come up with something else

I would have been happy with a penalty as I didn't think it was fair for someone to get advantage from his own mistake. (pity they lost Massa early on

) but I am not a steward, they must have felt that he deserves to be pushed to the back just like they did to Montoya last year! (or was that penalty to Montoya a favour too ?)