The 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix

Discuss all the aspects of the Formula 1 sport here

Moderators: cmlean, Ed, The Qualiflyer, The Heretic

Driver of the day ?

Lewis Hamilton
6
27%
Kimi Raikkonen
4
18%
Nick Heidfeld
4
18%
Fernando Alonso
5
23%
Robert Kubica
0
No votes
Robert Kubica
0
No votes
Ralf Schumacher
3
14%
Nico Rosberg
0
No votes
Heikki Kovalainen
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 22

Ed
NewsOnF1 Editor
NewsOnF1 Editor
Posts: 22255
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:24 pm

Post by Ed » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:57 am

The Hungarian Grand Prix stewards have summoned several members of the McLaren team including Ron Dennis, Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton over the delaying tactic which Alonso appeared to have done towards the end of the session.

If Alonso is found guilty of delibaratly delaying Hamilton he could be stripped of some or all his qualifying times.

Ed
NewsOnF1 Editor
NewsOnF1 Editor
Posts: 22255
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:24 pm

Post by Ed » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:00 am

This is the second year in a row that Alonso is involved in an incident during the Hungarian Grand Prix weekend.

Last year he was penalised for intentionaly brake testing Doornbos in practice.

McLarenLvr
Go Kart Racer
Go Kart Racer
Posts: 21
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:43 pm
Location: USA

Post by McLarenLvr » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:08 am


Ed
NewsOnF1 Editor
NewsOnF1 Editor
Posts: 22255
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:24 pm

Post by Ed » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:58 am

According to Ron Dennis, it was Lewis Hamilton who has triggered the problems in qualifying. Hamilton was told to let Alonso through at the start of Q3 so he can get in an extra lap. Hamilton decided not to and this caused the drivers to be out of sequence.

Now this doesn't really explain why Alonso stayed in the pits for 10 seconds after the lolipop was raised. Alonso and Dennis have said that the team gives the order to go out and it is the race engineer who counts down for the driver.

It doesn't clearly explain why Dennis threw his headset on the pit wall nor does it explain the exchange of words with Alonso's personal trainer.

On watching the replay again Dennis did not talk to Hamilton when Hamilton got out of his car at the end of qualifying even though they passed each other. This would indicate that Dennis wasn't too happy with Hamilton.

Julian Mayo
Forum Hall of Fame
Forum Hall of Fame
Posts: 15661
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:07 am
Location: Tying the antenna to the tallest tree I can find.

Post by Julian Mayo » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:02 am

McLarenLvr wrote:Hamilton did it to himself!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61368
Bollocks Denis, Bollocks.
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.

Julian Mayo
Forum Hall of Fame
Forum Hall of Fame
Posts: 15661
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:07 am
Location: Tying the antenna to the tallest tree I can find.

Post by Julian Mayo » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:04 am

McLarenLvr wrote:Ron Dennis bullied his way into taking over McLaren a long time ago and has a head as hard as rock. I don't like him.... never have, never will.
And all this time, I thought Bruce annointed him :shock:
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.

McLarenLvr
Go Kart Racer
Go Kart Racer
Posts: 21
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:43 pm
Location: USA

Post by McLarenLvr » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:24 am

Ron Dennis annointed himself... ask the people who were around after Bruce died.

Julian Mayo
Forum Hall of Fame
Forum Hall of Fame
Posts: 15661
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:07 am
Location: Tying the antenna to the tallest tree I can find.

Post by Julian Mayo » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:30 am

Ed wrote:The Hungarian Grand Prix stewards have summoned several members of the McLaren team including Ron Dennis, Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton over the delaying tactic which Alonso appeared to have done towards the end of the session.

If Alonso is found guilty of delibaratly delaying Hamilton he could be stripped of some or all his qualifying times.
ALONSO HAS BEEN PENALISED 5 PLACES ON THE START GRID !!
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.

Julian Mayo
Forum Hall of Fame
Forum Hall of Fame
Posts: 15661
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:07 am
Location: Tying the antenna to the tallest tree I can find.

Post by Julian Mayo » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:32 am

McLarenLvr wrote:Ron Dennis annointed himself... ask the people who were around after Bruce died.
It was tongue in cheek, Lvr :lol:
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.

Ed
NewsOnF1 Editor
NewsOnF1 Editor
Posts: 22255
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:24 pm

Post by Ed » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:37 am

Alonso loses 5 place on the grid while McLaren will not score any Constructors points.

A statement by the stewards found the actions of the team prejudicial to the interests of the competition
The actions of the team in the final minutes of qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally.
The penalty to be applied is that such points in the 2007 Formula One constructors championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix will be withdrawn.
The stewards also found that Alonso unecessrily impeded another driver
Because of the delay caused by Alonso, Hamilton was unable to complete his pit stop in time sufficient to enable him also to complete a flying lap.
The stewards find that he unneccessarily impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised by a loss of five grid positions.

Julian Mayo
Forum Hall of Fame
Forum Hall of Fame
Posts: 15661
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:07 am
Location: Tying the antenna to the tallest tree I can find.

Post by Julian Mayo » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:43 am

I do recall posting, pre-season, that there was a rumour that Ferrai and Massa would win the titles this year, if a certain Senior Figure in the sports governing body could influence it in any way :shock:
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.

Ed
NewsOnF1 Editor
NewsOnF1 Editor
Posts: 22255
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:24 pm

Post by Ed » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:54 am

McLaren have decided to appeal the stewards decision to strip them of any points they could score in the race in Hungary. McLaren will race under appeal pending a hearing by the International Court of Appeal. Alonso's 5 place demotion cannot be appealed.

Julian Mayo
Forum Hall of Fame
Forum Hall of Fame
Posts: 15661
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:07 am
Location: Tying the antenna to the tallest tree I can find.

Post by Julian Mayo » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:56 am

Okay, I have had an aspro, and a cup of tea, but I am far too agitated for a little lie down.
Would someone please explain the FIA's logic.
Alonso impedes Hamilton. Gets demoted to 6th. McLaren cannot score constuctors points from his entry. That I can live with.
Hambone was wronged. Gets promoted to pole. McLaren cannot score points from his entry.! :wtf:
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.

Understudy
Getting Started
Getting Started
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:13 pm
Location: New Zealand (England origin)

Post by Understudy » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:19 pm

What the?!

So McLaren get no points regarding how the race pans out? If this is true it'll make the race a lot more interesting i guess

(also does this mean that they can't score drivers championship points aswell?)

mlittle
Forum Hall of Fame
Forum Hall of Fame
Posts: 11205
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:51 pm
Location: At the F1 Idiots Bar.............where else?
Contact:

Post by mlittle » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:34 pm

Understudy wrote:What the?!

So McLaren get no points regarding how the race pans out? If this is true it'll make the race a lot more interesting i guess

(also does this mean that they can't score drivers championship points aswell?)
If I'm reading this correctly, the FIA's decision following qualifying goes as follows.......
~~Alonso, instead of starting from pole, will start 6th(Hamilton will start from P1)
~~both Alonso and Hamilton will be allowed to score points towards the drivers' championship should they finish P8 or better; however, McLaren will not be able to count those points towards the constructors' title
The Sci-Fi Station Come by and visit when you get the chance. :)
The Wayward Tarheel I'm even in the blogosphere.... :shock:

Post Reply