The 2006 San Marino Formula 1 Grand Prix

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Driver of the day

Michael Schumacher
11
55%
Fernando Alonso
5
25%
Juan Pablo Montoya
1
5%
Felipe Massa
2
10%
Kimi Raikkonen
0
No votes
Kimi Raikkonen
0
No votes
Mark Webber
1
5%
Jenson Button
0
No votes
Giancarlo Fisichella
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 20

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Post by Ed » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:16 am

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Michael Schumacher - Winner
I am very happy! The result shows that work pays off and that the effort put in by everyone ? the team and our partners ? has delivered its reward. The key moment was staying ahead after the second pit stop. As we saw last year, overtaking at this track it?s almost impossible, unless the
guy in front makes a mistake. With all my years of experience, I knew that what I wanted to do was keep Alonso behind me, but at my pace, not pushing flat out and that?s what I did. At this time I had a bit of graining, as had been the case in free practice and now we must work out what caused it. I hope we can keep up this standard in the coming races and I think that from now on, we will be very competitive.
Fernando Alonso - 2nd
Second place and eight points is a perfect result for me this afternoon. We suspected that we had qualified with more fuel than the others, and the race showed we were right to pick that strategy. At a normal circuit, we could have won but this is Imola where overtaking is almost impossible. I could see that I was much faster than Michael in the second stint, and I was just trying to put pressure on him, hoping he would make a mistake. We did not plan to make our second stop when we did ? we pitted early to try and overtake him but it didn't quite work. So I stayed in his slipstream and in the last five laps, put all the revs on the engine and tried to overtake. But the Ferrari was a lot quicker again at the end, and it didn't happen. Looking at the championship, though, this is perfect. My closest rivals at the start of the weekend were Fisichella and Raikkonen, and I have taken points from both of them. I am happy with this, and I know we will be stronger again in the Nuerburgring.
Juan Pablo Montoya - 3rd
I'm pleased with today's race and that we managed to get a podium position and some important Championship points. I made a good start off the line but was squeezed by traffic going into the first chicane and had to lift in order to avoid an incident. I then got stuck in traffic which cost me some time. I think it was clear as the race progressed that we had qualified on quite a heavy fuel load, but we were really able to take advantage of our strategy during the race. The guys did a great job in the pit stops which helped, but once I was in clear air the leaders were already about 13 seconds ahead, and it was too late for me. The focus was then just to bring the car back and get third place and some points. Everybody has been working hard for the past couple of weeks, and I think we have definitely made some progress with our package, I can't wait for the rest of the season and hopefully winning some races soon
Felipe Massa - 4th
It was a very difficult race, but it turned out well for Ferrari in the end. Michael?s win and my fourth place make a very nice result. I would have liked to have been on the podium, but I am still pleased with this as it was important to bring so many points home. I had some problems in my second stint, but in the third one I could push as hard as I wanted again.
Kimi Raikkonen - 5th
I was not entirely happy with my car today and wasn't able to really go for it. My start was not very good and I lost a couple of positions, and then traffic hampered my progress during the first half of the race. After the second stop the car improved quite a bit and became easier to drive and I could start pushing again. However I got stuck behind Felipe Massa and to overtake here at Imola is virtually impossible as we could see in the race today. We can leave Imola with some points which is important and I now look forward to the next race in Germany
Mark Webber - 6th
Today?s result is positive after a difficult start to the weekend and all in all, we had a great race with the boys doing a good job on the strategy and our stops worked well. The only tricky part of the race was the first few laps on high fuel which made the car hard work on turn in and under braking, especially because of the bumps. Apart from a reasonable finish today, we also learnt plenty about Bridgestone. The job now is to keep finding more pace.
Jenson Button - 7th
There is no doubt that we missed out on the chance of a podium today as the car was quick and we had a good strategy. I had a problem at the first pitstop with the right rear wheel going on and then in the second pitstop the lollipop was raised before the fuel hose was disconnected. Unfortunately when that happens, it takes all of the pit crew with it. The Chief Mechanic has lifted the lollipop perfectly hundreds of times before and I know he'll make sure this never happens again. Thankfully, no one was seriously hurt and I know the boys will be back giving it their all at the next race. Today has been disappointing but we had the pace and we have certainly moved forward a lot since Australia. We've said this many times before but we just have to stay focused and keep pushing
Giancarlo Fisichella 8th
This was a race to try and recover what happened in qualifying yesterday afternoon and I cannot be happy to finish eighth, but I still got into the points. The start was fantastic but I got crowded out as others drivers closed the door, and then struggled with the grip in the first stint. We took off some front wing at the stop, and then the pace was in the car. I was much faster and started to make up a lot of ground because we ran further than the other cars, but in the end, there were only a couple of seconds in it at the second stop ? and I came out just behind Button and Webber. The race showed the speed is there in the car, though, and I think we can have a much stronger weekend in Germany in two weeks.
Jean Todt (Ferrari)
When I was going up to the podium, I said to Michael that I could not remember the way anymore, as it had been such a long time since the last victory! This result comes courtesy of all the hard work over the past few weeks carried out by the team and our partners, first and foremost Bridgestone and Shell and it was made all the better coming in front of so many of our fans and employees who filled their own grandstand here. Michael secured a fantastic win, rounded off with a
good fourth place from Felipe. We had expected it to be cooler and the heat saw us suffer a bit, which shows how just the smallest variation in temperature can affect the pecking order. It?s and odd thing to
say, but in Australia we wanted it hotter and it was cool and here we have the opposite! This result is very encouraging for the future and is a great boost. There are fourteen races still to fight for and we know that if all the parts of the jigsaw puzzle are in place, then we can look for the wins in order to meet our targets
Pat Symonds (Renault)
We saw a very typical Imola race this afternoon, and an interesting reversal of last year's result. I think the Renault was the faster car but in fact, this appearance was probably exaggerated by the fact that Schumacher had such a dreadful middle stint. With Fernando stuck behind him, we were left with very few options to try and capitalise on our performance advantage, as we believe our planned lap for the second stop was, contrary to what the figures on television seemed to indicate, very close to his. We pulled in early because running longer was unlikely to pay off for us, as the Ferrari's tyres seemed very quick at the start of a stint. So we tried to get Fernando a lap of clean air to beat Michael in the pits and it didn't quite work but as the phrase goes, "nothing ventured, nothing gained". And in this case, nothing lost either. Giancarlo had a steady race, and he was unfortunate not to get ahead of Button at the final stop. Realistically, though, his race was all about mitigating the effects of qualifying yesterday, and he did everything that could be asked of him.
Ron Dennis (McLaren)
Juan Pablo had a relatively uneventful race. He made a good start but lost of some the advantage when he was squeezed coming into the first corner. However his strategy unfolded well and a fully deserved third place. Kimi's race was badly influenced by a rare mistake in qualifying which cost him some grid positions and was further compounded by him not making a particularly good start. However he drove in a disciplined manner to pick up valuable points for himself and the team. We could have raced a little harder but suffered badly from traffic. Everybody is now looking forward to the Silverstone test next week and the European Grand Prix ? both of which should see us move further forward in our competitiveness and World Championship objectives
Sam Michael (Williams)
It was a good result to get both cars to the finish and improve significantly on our starting positions today. Mark overtook Kimi on the first lap then drove well to sixth place and the strategy he was on worked well. Nico had a a really good start but lost out on the first few corners, but nevertheless improved on his start position of 13th to finish 11th. Bridgestone?s new tyre worked well. Overall a satisfactory day, but we are pushing for more.
Gil de Ferran (Honda)
Needless to say this was a difficult day for us when unfortunately it all went wrong in the pits. On his first stop, Rubens had a fuel rig failure and on Jenson's second stop the problems were more dramatic but thankfully no one was hurt as a result of the incident. We are certainly all disappointed with the final results, however if we had not had such an uncharacteristically bad day in the pits we would most likely have been fighting for a podium position. Our car pace this weekend was competitive and it is onwards and upwards to the N?rburgring now
Tsutomu Tomita (Toyota)
It was a disappointing Sunday for us and the results were not so good. But I'm sure that our car is quicker than it was able to show today. It performed well this weekend and was well matched to the Bridgestone tyre in the conditions. Unfortunately the race started very badly when Jarno had to stop with a mechanical problem with his steering column. We are very disappointed about that so apologies to him. Ralf raced hard on a three-stop strategy which should work here because of the short pit lane. However you risk losing out if you have a safety car in the first stint, which is exactly what happened. That meant the strategy was hampered early on. He had some inconsistency with grip during the race which we need to investigate but Ralf's pace in the last stint when he was free of traffic was good and encouraging. I am sure that our car has the potential to bring better results in the next few races. Nonetheless we clearly need to develop further and push hard to improve performance during the coming tests
Mario Thiessen (BMW Sauber)
Over this Imola weekend only the free practice on Friday was really good for us. Neither in qualifying nor during the race were the drivers able to set the lap times we expected. It was only in the last stint of the race that Jacques was able to match the speed of the top drivers at certain times. During Jacques? first pit stop there was a problem when two wheel nuts got stuck, but even without this problem he would not have made it into the points. On the positive side for the first time this season our engines have completed two full race distances at the same time, so they have passed this test successfully
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Post by Julian Mayo » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:02 am

Snowy wrote:Schuey and Ferarri had an excellent weekend making Renault look complacent and even ordinary strategy wise.

Jenson and Honda are now clearly exhibiting the kind of fortune that afflicts also rans. The first pit stop was farcical and the second was as dangerous and incompetent as I have ever seen. :evil: I was surprized the whole pit lane didn't get covered in fuel and spontaneously ignite.

What was the reasoning behind filling Rubens to the brim so that he could tour around at the back of the field for an hour and a half? :x

Renault made a knee jerk reaction calling Alonso into pit before schuey even though he had a faster car, more fuel and was only half a click behind Schuey. :D They threw away a certain race win there! :alright:

Mclaren are persisting with a race strategy that doesn't and will never work. The car isn't as quick as the Renault but they are still exhibiting the kind of behaviour that lost them the last two championships.

Quality rises to the surface again,
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Qaulifying: tick (on the edge)
Race strategy: tick (on the edge)
Driving: tick (on the edge)
Reaction to events: tick (on the nose)
Intent: tick (totally committed)

Everybody else should take note

Particularly of Schuey's lollypop which has a very large mirrored surface so he can see what's going on with the rear end of his car during pit stops. Why are they always one step ahead of the game? :shock:

Dont the Ferraris/Bridgestone enjoy warmer tracks these days!
Honda was never going to win this,IMHO. Regardless of the keystone cops pit crew, and James Allen's worship at the Button Altar, they had an artificial grid position and Schuey was happily driving away from Button after L1.
Massa gets my drive of the day, after all he won the thing for Schuey.
The Alonso Renault started looking pretty evil - handling from the start of the second stint, he was missing apexs and running a little wide at times. A lot of other drivers would have backed it in to the kitty litter.
What did they do to poor bloody Fisi?
McLaren are in the pooh. When a budget outfit like Williams can comfortably hold station ahead of a McLaren lap after lap.......say no more. Mark did a good job.
I imagine there would have been the usual number of people committing Seppuku at Toyota. Gascoyne would have enjoyed his day off, I think.
I reckon the TV coverage was pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
Was Rossberg running? JV ? Nick ? etc etc.
As for the commentary........ :evil: How the hell does a paid commentator mistake a Williams for a Honda at least twice ? They are supposed to know where the the cars are if nothing else. It is damned annoying at 1:30 am :evil:
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Post by rah » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:49 am

I would like to say that it was great to watch, however 10 laps into the race I decided to rest my eyes for a few seconds and whe I opened them again it was the last 2 laps. Schuey gets the vote for a good win. Interesting to see the roles reversed after last year.
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Post by BlinkyBill » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:16 am

Julian Mayo wrote: McLaren are in the pooh. When a budget outfit like Williams can comfortably hold station ahead of a McLaren lap after lap.......say no more. Mark did a good job.

I reckon the TV coverage was pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
Was Rossberg running? JV ? Nick ? etc etc.

As for the commentary........ :evil: How the hell does a paid commentator mistake a Williams for a Honda at least twice ? They are supposed to know where the the cars are if nothing else. It is damned annoying at 1:30 am :evil:
Partial agreement here.

I think to compare Mark's drive to the Mclaren's and Ferrari's, you need to look at the cars in front, not behind. If Alonso, at 1.5secs a lap cant overtake Schumi, then Kimi being stuck behind Mark could say a range of things.

I watched the race first by watching live timing, not the coverage (more on this later) More indicative was the fact Mark was just unable to hold on to JPM. Close, but slipped enough to not have a chance to be involved in a race for P5. Williams are the fourth best package at the moment IMHO. Behind Renault, Ferrari and Mclaren.

As for the TV and commentary. It was poor. Not only was the coverage only ever of the front two cars, or a honda, the commentators had no idea what was happening elsewhere. They continually made wronge or off the mark calls about the position of backmarkers, fuel strategy etc. Very disappointing.

I get much more out of watching the living timing now a days, that I just flick on the TV to see footage of what I already know.
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Post by BlinkyBill » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:22 am

As for Driver of the Day, to answers:

Firstly, the driver that made me feel the best: Button.

What is it about the Aussie DNA that when commentators "worship at the button Altar" (credit to JMayo for that phrase), that Aussies react with satisfaction when things dont go their way? Is it just me? sorry Snowy.

Secondly, Schumi is the driver of the weekend by far. Not the best car, but raced smart. I dont think Massa's drive had any impact at all on Alonso's performance. His team lost the race in the handling of the second stop.
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Post by JayVee » Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:07 pm

Renault handed the win to Michael. It is that simple but to call them complacent and ordinary and Ferrari a step ahead of the game is completely ridiculous.

I can't understand why Renault pitted Alonso early, he had more fuel so he should have waited until Michael pitted. They took a risk but it didn't work. It doesn't make them complacent or ordinary but no team has got their strategy 100%.

Massa holding Alonso was so stupid. It shows once again how Ferrari are willing to sacrifice one driver's chances for the benefit of Michael. Massa lost a podium because of that and more importantly the motivation.

Michael and Ferrari won and good for them but you can tell they know that this is pretty much a once off. Alonso is too fast for anyone and he gets my vote :D , 2 wins and 2 seconds, no one has been this consistent in a car that Fisichella can only go from 11th to 8th :shock: :shock: :shock:
The car is good yes but it isn't superior like the 04 Ferrari.

Of the others, I guess well done to Montoya and Webber. The rest were nowhere but Villeneuve finished ahead of Heidfeld despite having a bad pit stop - never saw it, just read about it :( (just for those rubbishing Villeneuve)

The commentary is starting to really get on my nerves. Coverage was poor too but when you have the leading two that close perhaps you need another picture showing other things happening.

Oh and Ide should be stripped off his super license. I dread the day Super Aguri get a more decent car!!

Onto the Nurburgring where Alonso will have competition from ... whose turn is it ? Raikkonen maybe ?

I end with a quote from Alonso after winning the Australian Grand Prix when he was asked if he can better his points tally from last year:
Well I am 28 and so I need to win in Imola and I think that will be extremely difficult, but if I repeat the same number I will be extremely happy if I finish in the first two in Imola. The important thing is to be constant in the championship, try to be on the podium ? as I was last year 15 times, I think ? and concentrate and try not to do any mistakes and just to do good weekends in a professional way and finish the races and score points.
He should have easily won Imola which he thought would be extremely difficult. Be prepared .....
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Post by mlittle » Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:26 pm

The race today(especially the last qtr. of the race) was what a Formula 1 grand prix should be about....the two best drivers on the track(M. Schumacher and Alonso) battling lap...after lap...after lap, neither giving any quarter nor taking any quarter. Good job by both drivers today! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :up:
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Post by rah » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:00 pm

What I found great was that it was a complete reversal of last year. MS did well to hold out the faster Alonso just as last year Alonso did well to hold out the faster MS. Not that I expect to see JayVee say it though.
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Post by Kapel » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:34 pm

Payback!!! :bouncec: :bouncey: :bouncest: :woohoo:

Mayb this is the only race Michael would win this year,cos his car looked inferior after the 1st pit stop,BUT holding the fastest man in the fastest car on the grid yesterday for almost half of race distance without cracking under pressure.And this is commendable!!

Just a reminder for ardant Alonso's fan or Michael's basher who do not want to give any credit for Michael's drive at Imola,but draw up excuses for Alonso's loss to bad pit call,Massa holding him back etc etc... :blah2: :blah2: (bad losers r u?), that in a similar situtation last year on the same track hwere Michael had a superior car,neither Alonso crack under pressure nor Michael got frustated trying to pass him.BUT yesterday,Alonso was frustated which was seen by the mistake he did 4-5 laps to finish which left him 2 sec behind N then never tried to get back in contention,just gave up!! :shock:
This shows he's ready to settle for podium places rather then keep trying till the last lap for a win :shock: especially with a superior car.

Montoya drove excellently especially with the T-car,which was commendable,Massa faced the same problems of graining like Michael did,Kimi drove a lifeless race,Webber did fine for his 6th position,Button

:roll: bad luck,Fisi is finished.

My driive for the day would go to both Michael & Alonso :clap: :cheers:
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Post by Bundy » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:43 pm

Alonso drove well BUT you have to give it to Schumi. 1st class all round performance. Something that no-one else was able to achieve.

Good drive also from MW & even the burger king (JPM).

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Post by The Meanest » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:57 pm

Well said Kapel :lol:
And also well done to Schumi :!:
I expected more Schumi bashers to come out and make excuses for a very good win.
He drove the smartest throughout the whole weekend and really deserved the win.
Plus Ferrari always seem to go well at the Nurburgring :shock:
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Post by JayVee » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:35 pm

Kapel, in case you are pointing the finger at me :shock: I have a few points to clarify :wink:

- On not giving Ferrari and Michael credit :shock: :shock: I said good for them. What more do you expect me to say :D

- On finding excuses for Alonso :shock: :shock: I certainly am not but you don't have to be a genious to realise that had Alonso stopped later he would have won the race. Renault made the wrong call, I am not blaming or finding excuses, it is a fact.

- On Massa holding up Alonso :shock: :shock: Sure it did not affect the outcome as Alonso caught up very quickly with Michael after the first stop but that doesn't hide the fact that Ferrari still employ those tactics. And if you call using the second driver to hold up your main competitor fair play then your definition of fair play is warped. To me it will never be fair play.

- On this race being a reverse of last year's, well you can describe it that way if you like but there are two important facts that you choose to ignore, Unlike Michael last year, Alonso didn't really need to pass, he is so far ahead and finishing second is more than enough for him yet for nearly half the race he remained right behind Michael, he didn't just say, oh well I'll just settle for second
And last year it was your so called "best driver" chasing a 24 year old kid with just 3 wins :shock: :shock: Alonso would have been excused for making a mistake. This year Michael wasn't expected to make a mistake, if he did, he would have announced his retirement a bit earlier than planned :lol: :lol:

- And on Alonso making a mistake and before thinking I am making up excuses, no, he did a mistake but can you imagine being stuck behind the dirty air of the car ahead for half a race, can you imagine what that would do to your car ? At least when he makes a mistake he doesn't end up in the wall :lol: :lol:

And by the way I did enjoy the race a lot not only because of the close fight but because it showed that Alonso is the class of the field in a car that isn't that much faster than the rest.

It is Alonso The Cute who is making the difference :croc:
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Post by Kapel » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:54 pm

JayVee wrote:
- On not giving Ferrari and Michael credit :shock: :shock: I said good for them. What more do you expect me to say :D
Didnt sound like credit when u in the same breath mention tht this is one off & ur blue eyed boy it too quick.Sure he is & has the quickest car!Admit it JayVee,its hard to swallow.
JayVee wrote: - On finding excuses for Alonso :shock: :shock: I certainly am not but you don't have to be a genious to realise that had Alonso stopped later he would have won the race. Renault made the wrong call, I am not blaming or finding excuses, it is a fact.
In Bahrain,when Renault made a good call u praised Alonso cos he won,now when he loses it the team's fault.
Now after the race,it looks like a bad call cos LAonso didnt come out in front,but if u check the lap times,Michael went 1.5 sec quicker on the lap when Alonso pitted & his outlap was in the 1:25's, so one cant really say JayVee what would have happened.
JayVee wrote: - On Massa holding up Alonso :shock: :shock: Sure it did not affect the outcome as Alonso caught up very quickly with Michael after the first stop but that doesn't hide the fact that Ferrari still employ those tactics. And if you call using the second driver to hold up your main competitor fair play then your definition of fair play is warped. To me it will never be fair play.
Reading James Allet version does not create history,he's known for anti Ferrari comments throught his life.NO data or any1,even Alonso didnt complained of Massa holding him back!!This is baseless & ur usual comments of Ferrari,we know u dont like them.
JayVee wrote: - On this race being a reverse of last year's, well you can describe it that way if you like but there are two important facts that you choose to ignore, Unlike Michael last year, Alonso didn't really need to pass, he is so far ahead and finishing second is more than enough for him yet for nearly half the race he remained right behind Michael, he didn't just say, oh well I'll just settle for second
He did settle for 2nd, 5 laps remaining when he got frustated & made a mistake trying to pass Michael with no success.He did settle for 2nd!!Didnt make any attempts in the last 5 laps,yes not worth risking,but hey he gave up!!

JayVee wrote: And last year it was your so called "best driver" chasing a 24 year old kid with just 3 wins :shock: :shock: Alonso would have been excused for making a mistake. This year Michael wasn't expected to make a mistake, if he did, he would have announced his retirement a bit earlier than planned :lol: :lol:
Sure Michael failed last year,but ur so called "best driver" failed too on the same track this year :lol: :lol: But, ya i dont want him to retire that soon too.
JayVee wrote: - And on Alonso making a mistake and before thinking I am making up excuses, no, he did a mistake but can you imagine being stuck behind the dirty air of the car ahead for half a race, can you imagine what that would do to your car ? At least when he makes a mistake he doesn't end up in the wall :lol: :lol:
Same situation last year,Michael stayed at his tail.
N I cant remember any champion not being the wall during their careers,does each crash in a wall take away a championship title or reduce ones ability?I dont think so,for me IMHO,its the driver on the limit trying to achieve best from the equipment provided to him.

JayVee wrote: And by the way I did enjoy the race a lot not only because of the close fight but because it showed that Alonso is the class of the field in a car that isn't that much faster than the rest.
Alonso is class of the field now for sure JayVee,but his car is the FASTEST too
JayVee wrote: It is Alonso The Cute who is making the difference :croc:
Please to hear that & i hope v have a competitor in KIMI or JUAN or Webber to match or challenge him otherwise it'll get boring.

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Post by F1-NUT » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:42 pm

Was I the only one who found the TV coverage just irritating and downright bad? It ruined the race for me, and you could tell that the commentators were annoyed as well, having to continually commentate on the first two cars with hardly anything of what what going on behind.

And everytijme we were shown the accell/brake graphic it was never on long enough to get a decent comparison. Was screaming at the telly for most of it. What about Webber, JV, JPM, Kimi? They should not let them have local coverage if this is what it's like - amateurish.

As for the 'race' what we got to see of it was not that exciting. Button let down by pit crew was just inexcusable, Barricello lost out on first corner and did not recover. Massa playing Schuie's game (that 2nd place Ferrari slot is a losers seat), Kimi 'underperforming' according to Ron Dennis, who I think is clinically insane, or well on his way. Did you see the interview? The man is on the edge.

Anyway, 3 weeks wait for something like this was very frustrating - at least the championship is alive. Good win by Schuie!
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Post by Julian Mayo » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:21 pm

[quote="F1-NUT"]Was I the only one who found the TV coverage just irritating and downright bad? It ruined the race for me, and you could tell that the commentators were annoyed as well, having to continually commentate on the first two cars with hardly anything of what what going on behind.

Justifiable homicide might excuse the action I was contemplating.......remember the time difference :evil:
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.

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