The 2007 Australian Grand Prix

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Driver of the day

Kimi Raikkonen
9
41%
Fernando Alonso
2
9%
Lewis Hamilton
6
27%
Nick Heidfeld
1
5%
Giancarlo Fisichella
0
No votes
Giancarlo Fisichella
0
No votes
Felipe Massa
2
9%
Nico Rosberg
1
5%
Ralf Schumacher
1
5%
 
Total votes: 22

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Post by JayVee » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:45 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
The Ferrari will be more, not less reliable, otherwise FIAT will sack the entire marque :shock: .
The McLaren's what?? Sorry, apostrophe man held a gun at my head, and made me type this :oops
:
IMHO

And based rather loosely around historical data of the Formula.



The Ferraris have about a .04 improvement, plus a Kimi improvement of, say, .02....by seasons end. net gain... point.06 per lap..that is not factoring in the Ferrari/Bridgestone advantage of a wet race.....(Jeez, what I would give to chuck Therapy around Marinello with the sprinklers on.....A powerful ute on a wet track.....better than......as good as......well nearly as good as....... a Kebab at 3 am.
The McLarens will at best match that as they learn about Bridgestones.
BMW will, with their HUGE technological advantage, improve by at least .08 per lap by seasons end, with the drivers both capable of handling that.
That puts McLaren under threat, for points, especially when they can run the soft tyre for the first long run on full tanks....I think the BMW must be as sweet to drive as the Renault was 2 years ago.......
Hamilton will take points fron Alonso......"saving tyres" is driver B.ll for "I could not pass him".....Okay, it worked in Melbourne as Denis used it to say thanks to Alonso's sponsors.
But we are talking about a Kid that Denis has been backing for a long, long time....it is Denis' personal reputation at stake........His personal DREAM would surely be a one/two at every race, with Alonso in second place.
Red Bull will improve by as much as 1 second by season end, which is going to throw a qualifying cat amongst the pigeons, and hamper anyone from grid four down....
Scenario........
Grid.after Qaulifying
Massa.........Kimmi
Kubica(Light on softs)........Webber(light on softs)
Hamilton......Alonso
Heidfield......Ralf (Running light, on softs)

Alonso simply does not get the chance to strike at the Ferraris....in this scenario second is the very best he can hope for......and I believe this a real grid chance....more than once.

I believe there are three brilliant drivers in F1 now.
Alonso.....brilliant, with luck on his side (And any Driver needs luck.......if his car had the problems that Fisi's had........)
Kimi..........just so bloody fast.
I really do not believe he is a car breaker.
He and Alonso remind me of Jack Brabham and Stirling Moss. Stirling set many records, Jack won the odd title.........luck is a fickle Lady.
Webber....he quite simply qualifies cars into postions that stagger all the team managers, pit crews, broadcasters,his team mates, other drivers, flaggies, ambos, Bernice, me,........and often with a lot more fuel than is supposed by all the experts. He has done it too often, with too many "buckets of bolts", to be described as anything else.
Even Schumaker learned to pull on the reins, rather than try to chuck it down the inside, when the gap wasn't there.
And the racecraft he has garnered beating around in the mddle of the pack or worse, compared to racing one or two other car......Hell's Bells.....Ralf keeps missing him these days !!!
He has beaten Alons on the odd occasion,did you know?
All the above is the personal opinion of the Scribe, and in no way reflects the opinions of the station management, who are now taking to the bunkers with flak jackets, tin helmets........and forgot to lock the F1 Idiots Bar.

:lol:
Let me first say that I am impressed by your post even if I didn't agree with a few things in it :D

First, wet race ? From the evidence we saw last year, Alonso would be unbeatable in the rain. Raikkonen isn't that good in the wet and tends to drive into other cars. Massa is OK

McLaren are certainly starting behind but their gain will have to be more than Ferrari as they learn more about the tyres.

Not sure what HUGE technological advantage BMW have ? You mean the wind tunnel ? I think McLaren has at least an equally HUGE advantage.
So far them and BMW have adapted very well to the Bridgestone tyres

I completely disagree with the theory that Hamilton will take points from Alonso. Hamilton was impressive but don't make a very premature statement like that. Remember Rosberg in Bahrain last year.
As for pleasing the sponsors, that in my opinion is BS, Alonso accepting second to anyone will never happen. You don't become double world champion with that attitude.

Alonso lucky ? How ? I remember Hungary last year when he would have won but had that wheel nut problem. I remember in China when he would have won but chose to change the tyres when he shouldn't. I remember Italy when he was penalised and then his engine blew. Yes he did get lucky in Japan when Michael blew an engine but he had two retirements based on mechanical failure before that so overall last year he wasn't as lucky as Michael!
(Oh and the problems Fisichella had ? Which ones ? Last year Fisichella had just 1 mechanical failure all season against 2 for Alonso. Did you know the point difference between the 2 ? 62 points that is just 10 points less than all the points scored by the 'luckier' Fisichella! - Everyone needs a bit of luck but Alonso was by no means one of the 'luckier' ones last year)

Webber indeed impresses in qualifying but his race craft isn't looking great. I am afraid he'll be labelled another 'Trulli' if he doesn't start to consistently finish races in positions equal or higher than qualifying position.

It is way too early in the season. We will have a few surprises along the way but one thing for sure, Ferrari won't run away with it this season. They have reliability issues.
I'm back and yes supporting Alonso "The Cute" in the Ferrari!

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Post by Julian Mayo » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:40 pm

JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
The Ferrari will be more, not less reliable, otherwise FIAT will sack the entire marque :shock: .
The McLaren's what?? Sorry, apostrophe man held a gun at my head, and made me type this :oops
:
IMHO

And based rather loosely around historical data of the Formula.



The Ferraris have about a .04 improvement, plus a Kimi improvement of, say, .02....by seasons end. net gain... point.06 per lap..that is not factoring in the Ferrari/Bridgestone advantage of a wet race.....(Jeez, what I would give to chuck Therapy around Marinello with the sprinklers on.....A powerful ute on a wet track.....better than......as good as......well nearly as good as....... a Kebab at 3 am.
The McLarens will at best match that as they learn about Bridgestones.
BMW will, with their HUGE technological advantage, improve by at least .08 per lap by seasons end, with the drivers both capable of handling that.
That puts McLaren under threat, for points, especially when they can run the soft tyre for the first long run on full tanks....I think the BMW must be as sweet to drive as the Renault was 2 years ago.......
Hamilton will take points fron Alonso......"saving tyres" is driver B.ll for "I could not pass him".....Okay, it worked in Melbourne as Denis used it to say thanks to Alonso's sponsors.
But we are talking about a Kid that Denis has been backing for a long, long time....it is Denis' personal reputation at stake........His personal DREAM would surely be a one/two at every race, with Alonso in second place.
Red Bull will improve by as much as 1 second by season end, which is going to throw a qualifying cat amongst the pigeons, and hamper anyone from grid four down....
Scenario........
Grid.after Qaulifying
Massa.........Kimmi
Kubica(Light on softs)........Webber(light on softs)
Hamilton......Alonso
Heidfield......Ralf (Running light, on softs)

Alonso simply does not get the chance to strike at the Ferraris....in this scenario second is the very best he can hope for......and I believe this a real grid chance....more than once.

I believe there are three brilliant drivers in F1 now.
Alonso.....brilliant, with luck on his side (And any Driver needs luck.......if his car had the problems that Fisi's had........)
Kimi..........just so bloody fast.
I really do not believe he is a car breaker.
He and Alonso remind me of Jack Brabham and Stirling Moss. Stirling set many records, Jack won the odd title.........luck is a fickle Lady.
Webber....he quite simply qualifies cars into postions that stagger all the team managers, pit crews, broadcasters,his team mates, other drivers, flaggies, ambos, Bernice, me,........and often with a lot more fuel than is supposed by all the experts. He has done it too often, with too many "buckets of bolts", to be described as anything else.
Even Schumaker learned to pull on the reins, rather than try to chuck it down the inside, when the gap wasn't there.
And the racecraft he has garnered beating around in the mddle of the pack or worse, compared to racing one or two other car......Hell's Bells.....Ralf keeps missing him these days !!!
He has beaten Alons on the odd occasion,did you know?
All the above is the personal opinion of the Scribe, and in no way reflects the opinions of the station management, who are now taking to the bunkers with flak jackets, tin helmets........and forgot to lock the F1 Idiots Bar.

:lol:
Let me first say that I am impressed by your post even if I didn't agree with a few things in it :D

/quote]


:shock2: :oops:

I didn't mean to imply that Alonso won his two titles by luck. He is simply, bloody good. So was Giles V.
Lady Luck favours in many ways...it might be that an easier track thru the backmarkers....(Lappees? :conf3: ) leaves you with an extra .02 of a mil of rubber to contest the last 20 laps, while the guy chasing has to use up just a little tiny bit more of everything .......etc.
I swapped positions with a guy once, at his request. I am alive, he is not.
Hinwall (BMW) is not just a wind tunnel. NASA, for one, is jealous, and cannot compete.....I thought Supercomputers... :bcomp: :bcomp: :bcomp: :bcomp: .....bloody things.....was your field. That thingo could just about beat me at chess :cry:
Gotta sack out....more later........gunna dream of strawberrry vodka....or nuthin as the case is of late.
Wish those bloody mares would stop galloping thru' my night.
Bloody Bigpond.
The Mountain is a savage Mistress.

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Post by RE30B#16 » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:49 am

Julian Mayo wrote:The Ferrari will be more, not less reliable, otherwise FIAT will sack the entire marque :shock: .
The McLaren's what?? Sorry, apostrophe man held a gun at my head, and made me type this :oops
:
IMHO

And based rather loosely around historical data of the Formula.



The Ferraris have about a .04 improvement, plus a Kimi improvement of, say, .02....by seasons end. net gain... point.06 per lap..that is not factoring in the Ferrari/Bridgestone advantage of a wet race.....(Jeez, what I would give to chuck Therapy around Marinello with the sprinklers on.....A powerful ute on a wet track.....better than......as good as......well nearly as good as....... a Kebab at 3 am.
The McLarens will at best match that as they learn about Bridgestones.
BMW will, with their HUGE technological advantage, improve by at least .08 per lap by seasons end, with the drivers both capable of handling that.
That puts McLaren under threat, for points, especially when they can run the soft tyre for the first long run on full tanks....I think the BMW must be as sweet to drive as the Renault was 2 years ago.......
Hamilton will take points fron Alonso......"saving tyres" is driver B.ll for "I could not pass him".....Okay, it worked in Melbourne as Denis used it to say thanks to Alonso's sponsors.
But we are talking about a Kid that Denis has been backing for a long, long time....it is Denis' personal reputation at stake........His personal DREAM would surely be a one/two at every race, with Alonso in second place.
Red Bull will improve by as much as 1 second by season end, which is going to throw a qualifying cat amongst the pigeons, and hamper anyone from grid four down....
Scenario........
Grid.after Qaulifying
Massa.........Kimmi
Kubica(Light on softs)........Webber(light on softs)
Hamilton......Alonso
Heidfield......Ralf (Running light, on softs)

Alonso simply does not get the chance to strike at the Ferraris....in this scenario second is the very best he can hope for......and I believe this a real grid chance....more than once.

I believe there are three brilliant drivers in F1 now.
Alonso.....brilliant, with luck on his side (And any Driver needs luck.......if his car had the problems that Fisi's had........)
Kimi..........just so bloody fast.
I really do not believe he is a car breaker.
He and Alonso remind me of Jack Brabham and Stirling Moss. Stirling set many records, Jack won the odd title.........luck is a fickle Lady.
Webber....he quite simply qualifies cars into postions that stagger all the team managers, pit crews, broadcasters,his team mates, other drivers, flaggies, ambos, Bernice, me,........and often with a lot more fuel than is supposed by all the experts. He has done it too often, with too many "buckets of bolts", to be described as anything else.
Even Schumaker learned to pull on the reins, rather than try to chuck it down the inside, when the gap wasn't there.
And the racecraft he has garnered beating around in the mddle of the pack or worse, compared to racing one or two other car......Hell's Bells.....Ralf keeps missing him these days !!!
He has beaten Alons on the odd occasion,did you know?
All the above is the personal opinion of the Scribe, and in no way reflects the opinions of the station management, who are now taking to the bunkers with flak jackets, tin helmets........and forgot to lock the F1 Idiots Bar.

:lol:
Hey JM

These are some interesting remarks...I'm not sure if I agree with some of your conclusions, but some interesting remarks indeed.

I take exception with just a few comments:

RE: Ron Dennis' rep
Even after one race, I think Ron's decision is already justified in putting the young Lewis Hamilton in the race seat. The only thing that could've been better is if the boy had won his maiden GP. RD's rep is a non-issue at this point. If anything Flavio briatore's rep should be on the line. Some on this forum picked Heikki Kovalainen to ruin everyone won including Alonso once he hit F1. He ruined a Renault chassis and FB's pride underscored by the absolutely mature drive put in by Hamilton.

RE: Ferrari's improvement by year's end
I see much more improvement on the horizon for McLaren particularly because of Fernando Alonso's personality. McLaren loves their new star. Alonso is a heads up competitor in the mold of Schumacher, Senna, Mansell and all the other great champions. He will make his team better by year's end than Raikkonen, guaranteed.

RE: Brilliance in the field
There is one genius behind the wheel of an F1 car right now as I see it. His name is Fernando Alonso. Lewis Hamilton may well be another future genius. I am also impressed with BMW's Robert Kubica. McLaren has the most intelligent young drivers in the sport right now with massive support. Alonso is generous as a teammate with sharing information. This will help Hamilton exponentially. Ferrari on the other hand has perhaps to two fastest drivers. We will see how they develop themselves and the team. I still believe Massa has a slight advantage over Raikkonen because not as much is expected of him so there is less pressure for wins. If Raikkonen fails to win his first WC in 2007, he will look to me like Gerhard Berger or David Coulthard to me these days (fast, good, can win but could not put a championship season together).

RE: Statistical data on how Ferrari improves over a season
Ferrari has only improved their car when they had a very focused potential WC behind the wheel pushing them to their limit (eg: Michael Schumacher, Niki Lauda, Jody Scheckter, Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost, even Gilles Villeneuve who was the odds on favorite take the WC in 1982 before he was killed). Ferrari has had plenty of great drivers who won a lot of races yet never put a championship year together (eg: Clay Regezzoni, Carlos Reutemann, Michele Alboreto, Stefan Johannson, Gerhard Berger, and Jean Alesi). [Special note: I included Mansell on the WC list because he moved the team towards the WC, but quit a team that loved him because he didn't get along with Alain Prost. I left Jacky Ickx off the other list because I read he could have won the WC in 1970, but did not out of respect for Jochen Rindt who he reckoned was the best that year before his fatal wreck. I understand this got Ickx fired from Ferrari.]
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Post by RE30B#16 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:51 pm

F1greyhound wrote:Well said JAYVEE!

RE30B#16,

re.JENSON in the WILLIAMS - thats screwing the facts. The WILLIAMS BMW in his first season with RALF and JENSON was not great, similar perhaps to this years package: far from being a winner. However JENSON in his first season matched RALF in his 4th - fantastic, just like LEWIS today.
Ah yes, my latest nemesis F1greyhound...

Might I suggest it is you, sir, screwing the facts. In his first season with Williams, Jenson Button did not match Ralf Schumacher. In fact, his best finish that year was 4th place at the German GP. Ralf came in 4th twice and had three 3rd place finishes that season! Ralf finished the season with twice as many points (24). :shock:

But you are saying JENSON's first season matched RALF's 4th season, right? Well,... 2000 was JENSON's first season and RALF's 4th. :conf2: So what are we saying here? In his rookie season, RALF outscored JENSON's first season by 1 point as well. Help me out here if you can! :maths: :?


Then you wrote...
JENSON never had a No.1 or even No.2 car. In 3rd rate material(=HONDA in some years..:-() he was mighty impressive.
:shock: Well,... JENSON did have a very good year in 2004 (his 4th season), coming 3rd in the championship behind MICHAEL and RUBENS despite no wins. He bested 3 race winners in that years championship (incidently so did Fernando Alonso I might add). Oh yeah,... those winners: Juan Pablo Montoya, Jarno Trulli, and one Kimi Raikkonen. :shock:

Still somehow by your estimation, JENSON's early career performances were...
fantastic, just like LEWIS today
[note: to be fair, I acknowledge this remark followed the Australian GP several weeks ago]

Interesting!!!!

:box1:
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