The 2006 Monaco Formula 1 Grand Prix

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Driver of the day

Fernando Alonso
8
25%
Juan Pablo Montoya
0
No votes
David Coulthard
5
16%
Rubens Barrichello
1
3%
Michael Schumacher
8
25%
Michael Schumacher
8
25%
Giancarlo Fisichella
1
3%
Nick Heidfeld
0
No votes
Ralf Schumacher
1
3%
 
Total votes: 32

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Post by Jim Watt » Sun May 28, 2006 2:25 am

:crush: Well Max & Bernie wanted to make people watch the qualifications and a fair judge will conclude that they succeeded in their quest. :knight: No question that it makes for more exciting television. And given the silliness of racing F1 machines around Hyde Park Corner (the equivalent of the Principality of Monaco), anything to keep the fans awake is to the good.

Because it's Michael (not J.V. or J.P.M.) who makes a cock up with something less than a minute to go, naturally there is an up roar. Again, this just plays into Max & Bernie's hands: because it CREATES interest and controversy where, without such shenannigans, there is more pious ramblings about history and tradition (to say nothing of the fabulously wealthy and good-looking and parties on the yachts) than there is real racing interest --or controversy.

It's nice, yes, that the Cozzie-Williams managed to find enough balance & grip to put the Webber in the first two rows (maybe even on the first one, if they do disqualify Michael), and it's fun to see Toyota doing better than Honda for a change. But is it really racing?

I remember racing motorcycles over in Japan back in the early sixties. The "track" was laid out on a space little larger than a football (I mean Soccer, not American football) field. There were a couple of "straights" that were maybe 60- 75 yards long and a mix of bends and jumps to keep it fun. Most of us were racing our 250cc Hondas or Yamahas --and one of the guys had a 500 cc Triumph. We'd zip by him on the slow parts of the track and then every time we came to one of the straights, the Triumph would roar past the field only to brake down for the turns and jumps, where we would promptly overtake him again. Watching the cars straining through the course this morning so reminded me of that big Triumph jerking around like a 50 foot sloop in a bathtub.

Unless Fernando decides to simply run over Michael on the way to Turn 1 tomorrow and take himself out along with the hated German (thus keeping his points advantage over him), we all know that the race will be a procession. :roll:

So, this way, there will be arguments (and slo mo replays) over this "incident" for years to come -- especially if it ends up playing any part --howsoever slim-- the WDC this year!

Since one can declare with absolute certainty that what he "would have done but for" in the qualifying, you may rest assured that the same persons will have no hesitation in saying what "would have been" (not, notice ever "might" have been; always would have been!) the case but for Teutonic Perfidy.

Actually, as I've written up this post it has occurred to me that probably Max & Bernie WILL DisQualify Michael. Because that (putting both Ferrari's in the last row) might actually succeed in making the race fun to watch!

How long will it take Michael and Felipe to get past the Aguri's and Torro Rosso's? What about JV and Nick? What about Jenson and the Brazilian?

It would also take the wind out of the sails of those (like Flavio) who rant endlessly about FIA Ferrari "bias".

Yes. I'm calling for making the Ferrari team start the race from their garage. With blinders on.

Why am I so blase about this? you ask: Because I didn't get to the Pole N 8 before the deadline expired! So I'm stuck with Fernando for the pole and win, Kimi-2cd; Fisi-3rd, Michael-4th, Monty-5th, Felipe-6th, Nico-7th & Jenson-8th.

After Spain I was ranked 241. After Monaco I expect to slip into the the third or fourth century! :cry:

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Post by <T-K> » Sun May 28, 2006 2:55 am

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Post by Ed » Sun May 28, 2006 3:03 am

Fisichella has been stripped of his 3 fastest laps in qualifying for blocking David Coulthard!

The stewards found that Fisichella did indeed hold up Coulthard and - according to the stewards - even though it may not have been delibarate they decided to delete his 3 best lap times.

It isn't yet clear where that puts Fisichella who was 5th prior to this decision. It most likley will drop him back to 9th or 10th!

No decision from the Stewards yet on Michael's incident!
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Post by Ed » Sun May 28, 2006 3:22 am

Selected question and responses from the Post Qualifying press conference

Q: A tense and breathtaking qualifying session, and you are on pole, but what happened to you in that incident at Rascasse?
M Schumacher:
I locked up the front and went wide. I wasn?t sure what was going on after this because of the positioning of the cars and so on, so I was not aware and in the end, I checked with the guys what the situation was, where did we end up, because I didn?t expect to be sitting here right now in this position and they said P1, so I was glad considering what had happened.
Q: What actually happened at the end of the incident; did the engine actually stall?
M Schumacher:
No, initially not and I tried to engage reverse but it didn?t engage, and I didn?t really want to back up just by myself without knowing what was coming around the corner and finally, it stalled.
Q: Fernando, you were purple on the monitors on that first sector when Michael?s incident occurred. Do you think you would have been on the pole?
Alonso:
Yes, yes. Until the last corner, I was three tenths quicker than my previous lap so for sure, it was not too difficult today.
Q: Talk us through your emotions; you don?t seem too happy about it. Do you think things could have been handled any differently?
Alonso:
Well, I don?t know. I do my maximum in the car, today it was OK, the car was performing really well. I think I had a good strategy and fantastic tyres for the race, so we have to wait and see tomorrow, but after dominating all weekend, to lose the lap because of an accident is not really a good moment.
Q: Mark, your best qualifying position of the year so far for Williams.
Webber:
Yeah, Thursday was pretty tricky for us. We had a lot of options to go through. Obviously we had Alex in the third car which helped us, but Nico and I went through our programme as usual with the race cars, running one set of tyres. It?s always hard to get a real idea of how well we?re performing against ? inside ourselves, obviously ? but also the opposition, where we are going to be. Coming to today, it felt a bit better this morning and then when we started to put some rubber on the car, it was very good actually. In qualifying I had a good run, only the second lap in second qualifying wasn?t great in terms of I had a bit of a wild first sector and had traffic in the last sector. But I was a little bit up again on our last run, just chipping away. I think we were all getting just a little bit more and then I thought I saw some yellow flags which I didn?t want to believe but then I saw the marshals were waving them quite heavily, so I had to back off because my gut was telling me something was on the outside of Rascasse and obviously it was Michael, so I aborted and came straight in, because there was no chance to improve. So it was a good job by the team, actually. The guys have done a really really good job. The car?s performing better here. Obviously the last race was not good enough for us and I hope we can get some more points here.
Q: Obviously that incident at the end has upset one or two people; what do you say to people who suggest it was on purpose?
M Schumacher:
We try to drive the car and we find out what it is. The point is that I think I was slightly quicker in the first sector. I don?t know what it was in the second sector but I was obviously watching my time and I was just a little bit quicker and a little bit quicker is not enough, honestly, so you push and you go for it and that was a bit too much.
Q: Fernando, obviously (you are) a bit frustrated, but second on the grid, again, just like last year?
Alonso:
Yes, but last year I finished fourth so hopefully I will finish on the podium tomorrow or even win the race.
Q: And frustrated, too, because you reckon you should have been on pole?
Alonso:
Yes, I was three-tenths better in the second sector already, after the chicane, so it should have been (faster) and I repeated the time of the last lap even with (what happened at) the Rascasse, going in the inside part and slow, and for sure it was three-tenths or something like that.
Q: (Anne Giuntini ? L?Equipe) To be honest, I have talked already to some drivers ? professionals like you ? who said it is too big, what happened today, to be credible, so on that basis I think that maybe there is some ?interrogation? and maybe it is a bit of a shame if it is true?
M Schumacher:
It would be a shame if it is true, absolutely, but I think it is as usual whatever you do in certain moments. Your enemies they believe one thing and the people that support you believe another thing and that is what our sport is about.

Q: (Anne Giuntini ? L?Equipe) It is not a question of friends or enemies, it is a question of sport.
M Schumacher:
I think it is because I explained you what really happened and if you want to believe this you believe and some people may not believe this but, unfortunately that is the world we live in.
Q: (Anne Giuntini ? L?Equipe) It is a big shame.
M Schumacher:
Yes, unfortunately that?s it?
Q: (Byron Young - Speed Sport News) Fernando do you think anything less of Michael today?
Alonso:
I have my opinion and I won?t tell it here.
Q: (Byron Young - Speed Sport News) Michael do you think you cheated today?
M Schumacher:
No. And I don?t know why you ask such a bad question. I think it is pretty tough I have to say. If you were to drive around here, at Monaco, you would probably not ask this question.
Q: (Byron Young - Speed Sport News) Would you be surprised to hear that Renault has gone to the stewards?
M Schumacher:
I don?t care what other people, teams do. I know Flavio well enough.

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Post by Snowy » Sun May 28, 2006 7:36 am

Schumacher has been stripped of pole! :shock:
"The stewards can find no justifiable reason for the driver to have braked with such undue, excessive and unusual pressure at this part of the circuit and are therefore left with no alternative but to conclude that the driver deliberately stopped his car on the circuit,"

"This is a breach of 2006 Formula One sporting regulations article 116 and hence a driving infringement," it added. "The stewards accordingly direct that the qualifying times of Michael Schumacher, the driver of car number five, be deleted.
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Post by Julian Mayo » Sun May 28, 2006 8:59 am

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Q: (Anne Giuntini ? L?Equipe) It is not a question of friends or enemies, it is a question of sport.


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Post by Julian Mayo » Sun May 28, 2006 9:01 am

Snowy wrote:We might see Mark on the front row yet! :D :shock: I reckon MS has pulled another one of his crafty stunts! :evil:

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Post by Julian Mayo » Sun May 28, 2006 9:02 am

Ed wrote:Fisichella has been stripped off his 3 fastest laps in qualifying for blocking David Coulthard!

The stewards found that Fisichella did indeed hold up Coulthard and - according to the stewards - even though it may not have been delibarate they decided to delete his 3 best lap times.

It isn't yet clear where that puts Fisichella who was 5th prior to this decision. It most likley will drop him back to 9th or 10th!

No decision from the Stewards yet on Michael's incident!
Nico reckons DC blocked him :shock:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Sun May 28, 2006 9:17 am

[quote="Ed"]Fisichella has been stripped off his 3 fastest laps in qualifying for blocking David Coulthard!

The stewards found that Fisichella did indeed hold up Coulthard and - according to the stewards - even though it may not have been delibarate they decided to delete his 3 best lap times.

Poor old Fisi.....hit by the falling piano again :shock:

(altho the cynical might say the FIA did it to make Ferrari happier) :shock:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Sun May 28, 2006 9:35 am

I expect to see MS having difficulty negotiating Rascasse while attempting to make his way thru the field 8)
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Post by Ed » Sun May 28, 2006 1:43 pm

In response to stripping Michael of Pole, Ferrari's Jean Todt said
Ferrari notes with great displeasure the decision of the race stewards, which is to delete the times set by Michael Schumacher in qualifying for the Monaco Grand Prix. We totally disagree with it. Such a decision creates a very serious precedent, ruling out the possibility of driver error. Michael was on his final timed lap and he was trying to put his first place beyond doubt, as could be seen from the fact that his first split time was the best and could have seen him do another very good lap. With no real evidence, the stewards have assumed he is guilty.

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Post by Snowy » Sun May 28, 2006 6:32 pm

Eat my shorts JT 8)
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Post by <T-K> » Sun May 28, 2006 8:03 pm

Julian Mayo wrote: Nico reckons DC blocked him :shock:


So Nico was blocked by Coulthard who was being blocked by Fisichella :shock:

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Post by Julian Mayo » Sun May 28, 2006 8:41 pm

<T-K> wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote: Nico reckons DC blocked him :shock:


So Nico was blocked by Coulthard who was being blocked by Fisichella :shock:
:shock: I am in awe.....your powers of comprehension......!!!!!! :shock:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Sun May 28, 2006 8:42 pm

Sorry TK....that was uncalled for....the spanish dancer is having a bad hair day........the hounds and I have just snuck back into the house :coffee:
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