Management Changes at Ferrari

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:51 pm

tifoso wrote:if that happens my fear is that his role then becomes exactly like it did last year as you said and the prancing horse suffers the critisism of yester year,
the teams to watch this season are any with the rbr on the side or an affilation, this could be a huge year for them

Massa aint a "lie down, roll over, scratch my tummmy" sorta guy, IMHO he hastened Schueys retirement......... JayVee........stats please.......Massa v Schuey 2006.......Muchas Gracias Bella Signorita.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:10 am

gkaytaz wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
Massa and Kimi could be the ideal duo as far as team orders go
Please explain
That is, if Kimi shoots ahead in the standings after 3-4 races, Massa will back him up a la Barrichello-Schumi...

Hakka ....DC
Brabham.....Hulme
Jones........Reutemann
ETC
Sheesh

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:36 am

Julian Mayo wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
Please explain
That is, if Kimi shoots ahead in the standings after 3-4 races, Massa will back him up a la Barrichello-Schumi...
Hakka ....DC
Brabham.....Hulme
Jones........Reutemann
ETC
Sheesh

C'est la vie mon ami... Sad but true.

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:07 am

gkaytaz wrote:
RBR will have the Renault engine, with DC and Webber; good chance for em to shine. STR on the other hand has shown time and again that they can do good things given the chance. They are stuck with the Ferrari engine and a customer team supplied with a Ferrari engine has yet to win a race. Not a very good mark for Ferrari by any means. Still STR is way ahead of Minardi and they should soon start fighting their way up into the middle ranks.

Possibly one good thing to come out of the engine freeze is the that the teams getting customer engines will not always be a couple of evolutions behind as they were in the past.
Remember when Sauber got Ferrari engines they started the season with the same engine, but by race 3 ferrari already had the second evolution for the season. New rules should effectively prevent this from happeneing.
STR also seem poised to have the same chassis as RBR if the loophole works for them

Just another step closer to one design racing

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:34 am

GhoGho wrote:Possibly one good thing to come out of the engine freeze is the that the teams getting customer engines will not always be a couple of evolutions behind as they were in the past.

GhoGho wrote: Just another step closer to one design racing

NASCAR anyone

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:35 am

gkaytaz wrote:
GhoGho wrote:Possibly one good thing to come out of the engine freeze is the that the teams getting customer engines will not always be a couple of evolutions behind as they were in the past.

GhoGho wrote: Just another step closer to one design racing
NASCAR anyone

With JPM there already I just might.................

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:39 am

GhoGho wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
GhoGho wrote:Possibly one good thing to come out of the engine freeze is the that the teams getting customer engines will not always be a couple of evolutions behind as they were in the past.

GhoGho wrote: Just another step closer to one design racing
NASCAR anyone
With JPM there already I just might.................

He was almost killing himself in the very first race...

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:35 am

GhoGho wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
RBR will have the Renault engine, with DC and Webber; good chance for em to shine. STR on the other hand has shown time and again that they can do good things given the chance. They are stuck with the Ferrari engine and a customer team supplied with a Ferrari engine has yet to win a race. Not a very good mark for Ferrari by any means. Still STR is way ahead of Minardi and they should soon start fighting their way up into the middle ranks.
Possibly one good thing to come out of the engine freeze is the that the teams getting customer engines will not always be a couple of evolutions behind as they were in the past.
Remember when Sauber got Ferrari engines they started the season with the same engine, but by race 3 ferrari already had the second evolution for the season. New rules should effectively prevent this from happeneing.
STR also seem poised to have the same chassis as RBR if the loophole works for them Just another step closer to one design racing

With the new regs we could be watching Formula Very bloody Boring.

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:48 am

Julian Mayo wrote:
With the new regs we could be watching Formula Very bloody Boring.

No arguments from here.
I see you reckon the new toyota looks like the ferrari, there goes another step in the one design direction

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:54 am

GhoGho wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
With the new regs we could be watching Formula Very bloody Boring.
No arguments from here.
I see you reckon the new toyota looks like the ferrari, there goes another step in the one design direction

Or does the Ferrari look like the Toyota?

Ed · Post by Ed » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:03 am

David Richards of ProDrive has already made it clear that he will be buying another chassis and engine from an existing team for 2008.

He said that he is talking to 3 teams but has a preferred option!

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:31 am

If Todt is still running the show and Michael giving advice to Raikkonen and Massa then I doubt that they will not apply team orders. I hope they don't but lets wait and see. You can't just give them a get out of jail card just because they just said so.

Does anyone think that Raikkonen would really be interested in what Michael tells him

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:37 am

JayVee wrote:If Todt is still running the show and Michael giving advice to Raikkonen and Massa then I doubt that they will not apply team orders. I hope they don't but lets wait and see. You can't just give them a get out of jail card just because they just said so.

Does anyone think that Raikkonen would really be interested in what Michael tells him

I think Kimi is smart enough to weed out anything of use to his career, from anyone

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:46 am

Julian Mayo wrote:
tifoso wrote:if that happens my fear is that his role then becomes exactly like it did last year as you said and the prancing horse suffers the critisism of yester year,
the teams to watch this season are any with the rbr on the side or an affilation, this could be a huge year for them
Massa aint a "lie down, roll over, scratch my tummmy" sorta guy, IMHO he hastened Schueys retirement......... JayVee........stats please.......Massa v Schuey 2006.......Muchas Gracias Bella Signorita.

Ok Julian, here are some stats, you can choose the one that suits

Last 9 races of 2006

Michael: 62
Massa: 52

Last 6 races of 2006

Michael: 32
Massa: 30

Last 3 races of 2006

Massa: 18
Michael: 15

Last 2 races of 2006

Massa: 18
Michael: 5

So as you can see Massa did better than Michael in the latter part of the season but that was after Michael announced his retirement

Qualifying for the last 9 races of 2006

Massa: 2, 2, 3, 2, 1, 4, 20, 1, 1
Michael: 1, 1, 2, 11, 2, 2, 6, 2, 10

Similar picture here, Massa qualified better in the latter part of the season. But qualifying with fuel and grid penalties can cause some distortion

Basically Massa needs to get a good start but I don't see him a Championship material anyway. He may still win it if :
- the Ferrari is much stronger than the other cars
- Kimi carries on breaking the Ferrari
- McLaren keeps breaking down

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:48 am

Julian Mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:If Todt is still running the show and Michael giving advice to Raikkonen and Massa then I doubt that they will not apply team orders. I hope they don't but lets wait and see. You can't just give them a get out of jail card just because they just said so.

Does anyone think that Raikkonen would really be interested in what Michael tells him
I think Kimi is smart enough to weed out anything of use to his career, from anyone

Like what ? drive slowly or you'll break da car ??

Raikkonen doesn't listen to anyone. In fact, most drivers at that level don't.

Lets ask <T-K> what he thinks ?