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Can McLaren win the title despite not winning a race in 2006

Yes
3
25%
No, but they will win more than 5 races and finish a close second
3
25%
No, but they will win a few races (under 5) and finish in the top three
5
42%
No and like 2006 they will not win a single race
1
8%
 
Total votes: 12

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Post by JayVee » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:39 pm

gkaytaz wrote: It's a combination really. I have read a couple of articles in the F1 Racing mag in the past regarding this very subject. Then there had been that mass damper incident. Alonso managed to get his bearings in a couple of races but I think the main problem is not his ability to adapt. It's more of a morale thing. He's a Spaniard, hot blooded... Positive and negative incidents have a larger effect on him compared to Schumi or a few other Northern European fellas. Maybe not as bad as in JPM's case though, which is good :) Being emotional is not necessarily a bad thing cuz it helped him be faster than Schumi at times. As long as he can curb it when needed that is.
Regardless of his origin, you need to consider his age gkaytaz and whether it is us or the so called experts who write in magazines, the guy has shown maturity much beyond his age but he is still a kid. His reaction to Doornbos was really childish but one cannot expect a 24/25 yo to act like a 35 yo in every aspect.
I am sure you know all this but I just want to highlight this issue when you try to compare an action by say Michael when he was 30 and Alonso when he was 24.
I still remember Michael banging the steering wheel of his Ferrari when he retired in Melbourne in 98 I think and he is German :shock:
And what about stalling in 99 at the grid at Suzuka the same year ?
Not to mention what he did in Spa :shock: :shock:
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Post by <T-K> » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:40 pm

Southernman wrote:I've gone for option two. Alonso can win a few races but I have doubts that Hamilton as good as some of the press make him out to be.

At least I say who I vote for. :D
I voted for the same one....As much as I love Mclaren, they dont stand a chance this year....i dont think :wink: (But I am wrong on the odd occasion) :D

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Post by JayVee » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:42 pm

Meant to edit this line but couldn't :cry:

And what about stalling at the grid at Suzuka the same year ?
I'm back and yes supporting Alonso "The Cute" in the Ferrari!

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Post by <T-K> » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:44 pm

JayVee wrote:Meant to edit this line but couldn't :cry:

And what about stalling at the grid at Suzuka the same year ?

That would be my fault :(

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Post by gkaytaz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:49 pm

JayVee wrote:
gkaytaz wrote: It's a combination really. I have read a couple of articles in the F1 Racing mag in the past regarding this very subject. Then there had been that mass damper incident. Alonso managed to get his bearings in a couple of races but I think the main problem is not his ability to adapt. It's more of a morale thing. He's a Spaniard, hot blooded... Positive and negative incidents have a larger effect on him compared to Schumi or a few other Northern European fellas. Maybe not as bad as in JPM's case though, which is good :) Being emotional is not necessarily a bad thing cuz it helped him be faster than Schumi at times. As long as he can curb it when needed that is.
Regardless of his origin, you need to consider his age gkaytaz and whether it is us or the so called experts who write in magazines, the guy has shown maturity much beyond his age but he is still a kid. His reaction to Doornbos was really childish but one cannot expect a 24/25 yo to act like a 35 yo in every aspect.
I am sure you know all this but I just want to highlight this issue when you try to compare an action by say Michael when he was 30 and Alonso when he was 24.
I still remember Michael banging the steering wheel of his Ferrari when he retired in Melbourne in 98 I think and he is German :shock:
And what about stalling in 99 at the grid at Suzuka the same year ?
Not to mention what he did in Spa :shock: :shock:
Yes he has time to mature. It's only that if McLaren brings him down by not living up to his expectations and he turns sour is what I am afraid of. And in all honesty I don't think McLaren is as high in quality as Renault at this time... Schumi had lost it a few times in the past, I recall very well. After all he's a human being. However he got over them fast. Alonso may not be the case.
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Post by gkaytaz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:50 pm

<T-K> wrote:
Southernman wrote:I've gone for option two. Alonso can win a few races but I have doubts that Hamilton as good as some of the press make him out to be.

At least I say who I vote for. :D
I voted for the same one....As much as I love Mclaren, they dont stand a chance this year....i dont think :wink: (But I am wrong on the odd occasion) :D
Picked fewer than 5 wins, but top three option :)
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Post by JayVee » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:53 pm

gkaytaz wrote:
Yes he has time to mature. It's only that if McLaren brings him down by not living up to his expectations and he turns sour is what I am afraid of. And in all honesty I don't think McLaren is as high in quality as Renault at this time... Schumi had lost it a few times in the past, I recall very well. After all he's a human being. However he got over them fast. Alonso may not be the case.
That I very much disagree with you. If the McLaren turns out a lemon again Alonso will not turn sour. I am sure of that. He will be frustrated yes but he will recover, he can and will handle it.
I don't think even he thinks he can keep winning titles year after year.

I know this may not make much sense but given that he made it pretty much on his own makes him a very strong person mentally.
I'm back and yes supporting Alonso "The Cute" in the Ferrari!

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Post by gkaytaz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:00 pm

JayVee wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
Yes he has time to mature. It's only that if McLaren brings him down by not living up to his expectations and he turns sour is what I am afraid of. And in all honesty I don't think McLaren is as high in quality as Renault at this time... Schumi had lost it a few times in the past, I recall very well. After all he's a human being. However he got over them fast. Alonso may not be the case.
That I very much disagree with you. If the McLaren turns out a lemon again Alonso will not turn sour. I am sure of that. He will be frustrated yes but he will recover, he can and will handle it.
I don't think even he thinks he can keep winning titles year after year.

I know this may not make much sense but given that he made it pretty much on his own makes him a very strong person mentally.
Why not, I see your point. The fact that we disagree does not prevent that :) After a number of successful years a frustrating season has a tough-to-handle effect on many drivers. History is full of such examples. Some recovered, most did not. At this time I don't see Alonso walking down a different path. I hope he'll prove me wrong. Wait, no, I hope that we won't get to see that and he continues to be competitive so we have a good 2007 season and 2008.
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Post by Julian Mayo » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:55 pm

Southernman wrote:I've gone for option two. Alonso can win a few races but I have doubts that Hamilton as good as some of the press make him out to be.

At least I say who I vote for. :D
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Post by Julian Mayo » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:06 pm

gkaytaz wrote:
JayVee wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
Yes he has time to mature. It's only that if McLaren brings him down by not living up to his expectations and he turns sour is what I am afraid of. And in all honesty I don't think McLaren is as high in quality as Renault at this time... Schumi had lost it a few times in the past, I recall very well. After all he's a human being. However he got over them fast. Alonso may not be the case.
That I very much disagree with you. If the McLaren turns out a lemon again Alonso will not turn sour. I am sure of that. He will be frustrated yes but he will recover, he can and will handle it.
I don't think even he thinks he can keep winning titles year after year.

I know this may not make much sense but given that he made it pretty much on his own makes him a very strong person mentally.
Why not, I see your point. The fact that we disagree does not prevent that :) After a number of successful years a frustrating season has a tough-to-handle effect on many drivers. History is full of such examples. Some recovered, most did not. At this time I don't see Alonso walking down a different path. I hope he'll prove me wrong. Wait, no, I hope that we won't get to see that and he continues to be competitive so we have a good 2007 season and 2008.
Alonso would be competitive on a tricycle..........as i have said many times, there are 3-5 guys out there who are just as good. Sadly, the machinery makes the difference. IE. Schuey was beaten a number of times in his prime, on bicycles, in karts, etc
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Post by gkaytaz » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:02 am

Julian Mayo wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
JayVee wrote:
That I very much disagree with you. If the McLaren turns out a lemon again Alonso will not turn sour. I am sure of that. He will be frustrated yes but he will recover, he can and will handle it.
I don't think even he thinks he can keep winning titles year after year.

I know this may not make much sense but given that he made it pretty much on his own makes him a very strong person mentally.
Why not, I see your point. The fact that we disagree does not prevent that :) After a number of successful years a frustrating season has a tough-to-handle effect on many drivers. History is full of such examples. Some recovered, most did not. At this time I don't see Alonso walking down a different path. I hope he'll prove me wrong. Wait, no, I hope that we won't get to see that and he continues to be competitive so we have a good 2007 season and 2008.
Alonso would be competitive on a tricycle..........as i have said many times, there are 3-5 guys out there who are just as good. Sadly, the machinery makes the difference. IE. Schuey was beaten a number of times in his prime, on bicycles, in karts, etc
When they go for less driver aids the true champions will shine. Or at least thats what I am hoping to happen...
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Post by Ed » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:40 pm

The McLaren MP4-22 presentation (first 2 minutes are fireworks!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUguuAG-7c8

Interview with Lewis Hamilton (English & Spanish) and with Fernando Alonso (in Spanish)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvL1WOye04

Interview with Fernando Alonso (Spanish) continued

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WesrOwoqj4

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Post by <T-K> » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:46 pm

Fonzi looks good in the Macca overalls :)

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Post by jacfan » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:23 pm

Must cost a fortune for the launch.
Holy crap on a cracker! Image
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Post by gkaytaz » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:23 am

jacfan wrote:Must cost a fortune for the launch.
Still cheaper than a space shuttle launch :)
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