The Ferrari investigation (McLaren issues apology)

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:59 pm

Julian Mayo wrote: What did Ferrari do wrong?

Nothing. At least I believe so. But then McLaren did not anything wrong either. In any of the two scenarios Ed presented the teams should not be penalized, I think. The persons should be.

In all fairness though, if McL gets hit in the process, and the accusations are not backed by solid proofs then Ferrari should be punished as well. That's what I think.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:16 pm

gkaytaz wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote: What did Ferrari do wrong?
Nothing. At least I believe so. But then McLaren did not anything wrong either. In any of the two scenarios Ed presented the teams should not be penalized, I think. The persons should be.

In all fairness though, if McL gets hit in the process, and the accusations are not backed by solid proofs then Ferrari should be punished as well. That's what I think.

I am in no way hinting, suggesting, inferring or implying that McLaren did anything wrong except employ someone who has done wrong. But Ferrari did absolutely nothing incorrect.

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:40 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote: What did Ferrari do wrong?
Nothing. At least I believe so. But then McLaren did not anything wrong either. In any of the two scenarios Ed presented the teams should not be penalized, I think. The persons should be.

In all fairness though, if McL gets hit in the process, and the accusations are not backed by solid proofs then Ferrari should be punished as well. That's what I think.
I am in no way hinting, suggesting, inferring or implying that McLaren did anything wrong except employ someone who has done wrong. But Ferrari did absolutely nothing incorrect.

Never thought you are/were. I am just saying that in accordance to what you said about hiring the wrong person Ferrari could be blamed because of Stepney as well. Personally I find that ridiculous but strange things happen in the world of F1. Besides there may be a few things that has not come to light yet (maybe never will). I just wish someone authorized would come forward and explain what has happened in layman's terms.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:54 pm

F1greyhound wrote:I know one thing - had this issue been the other way around, many people on here would be going on about how unfair and "cheating" FERRARI are......

....and MICHAEL would be the one blamed most....))

Whatever, these industrial spy stories go on a lot and often they are undiscovered....

Actually the whole issue could easily lead to MCLAREN losing some points.......

Unlike Ferrari, McLaren do not have a history of cheating and have never been unfair inside the team or outside it.

When you have a bad record it is only natural to be more suspicous.

But having said all that, if McLaren are found to have been involved with this, I would support the toughest penalty on them cause I would never support using unfair and unsporty tactics to gain an advantage.
And I must say that for the first season in so many, Ferrari are showing some promise of playing fair and sporty.

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:31 pm

Ferrari have now issued a press release stating that the English Police has not so far been involved however both the London High Court and the Modena Court are carrying out the investigation.

Ferrari wishes to clarify that the English police have so far not been involved in investigating the theft of technical information. It was brought to Ferrari's attention by a third party outside Formula 1 racing within the last fortnight, that a senior member of the technical staff within the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team might be in possession of highly sensitive Ferrari information. Ferrari reviewed the evidence and consulted London lawyers towards the end of last week. Ferrari then made an urgent application to the High Court in London on 2 July for the court's assistance. As is usual with this kind of court order, Ferrari is currently prevented by the court from making any public statement about the information that it gained as a result of serving the court order. At the same time, an investigation is being carried out into the same subject by the Modena Court, therefore no further comment will be forthcoming, in order to respect the legal process in both countries.

Dzu-Fast · Post by **Dzu-Fast** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:59 am

JayVee wrote:
F1greyhound wrote:I know one thing - had this issue been the other way around, many people on here would be going on about how unfair and "cheating" FERRARI are......

....and MICHAEL would be the one blamed most....))

Whatever, these industrial spy stories go on a lot and often they are undiscovered....

Actually the whole issue could easily lead to MCLAREN losing some points.......
Unlike Ferrari, McLaren do not have a history of cheating and have never been unfair inside the team or outside it.

What history does Ferrari have of cheating ?

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:05 am

Dzu-Fast wrote:
What history does Ferrari have of cheating ?

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:28 am

"He said..she said....."
The whole business reeks.
Mysterious white powders,Nigel flees, Ferrari secrets in the hands of a McLaren employee,(who conveniently leaves them in an easily found place) and suddenly their cars gain ascendancy, then the secret is out and just as suddenly, Ferrai have a one-two............what is this....Monty Python?
is it the work of the pink Panther? Where is the noble Inspector Clousseau when you need him.
Nigel Stepney....ahh..what a name for a villian! Is he a tall cadaverous looking chap, with dark hair and moustache? Prone to wearing a black cape?
Will it be found that the dastardly Ferrari paid him a zillion bucks to plant the material on his McLaren friend to bring the noble white nights of McLaren to ignomy and ill-repute?
Did the conniving Ron, and his love-child, conspire with Nige to outwit the illustrious Scuderia?
Did Ferrari have a mole in McLaren, stealing their secrets, and all the rest is a cover, to divert attention?
Was the g g ghost of Bruce McLaren the mysterious third party who alerted Ferrari?
Was it the tea-lady?
Tune in next week for the next chapter of the saga, brought to you by Mad Max and the F1 Publicity Team!!!!

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:40 pm

Dzu-Fast wrote:
JayVee wrote:
F1greyhound wrote:I know one thing - had this issue been the other way around, many people on here would be going on about how unfair and "cheating" FERRARI are......

....and MICHAEL would be the one blamed most....))

Whatever, these industrial spy stories go on a lot and often they are undiscovered....

Actually the whole issue could easily lead to MCLAREN losing some points.......
Unlike Ferrari, McLaren do not have a history of cheating and have never been unfair inside the team or outside it.

What history does Ferrari have of cheating ?

Blatantly having team orders when team orders were against the rules.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:08 pm

jacfan wrote:
Dzu-Fast wrote:
JayVee wrote:
Unlike Ferrari, McLaren do not have a history of cheating and have never been unfair inside the team or outside it.

What history does Ferrari have of cheating ?
Blatantly having team orders when team orders were against the rules.

Who will be the first to raise McLaren and DC et al............thnot thith lil' black duck.

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:16 pm

Touchy subject around these parts. Gotta watch what ya say.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:18 pm

jacfan wrote:Touchy subject around these parts. Gotta watch what ya say.

You ain't just quacking

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:20 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote:Touchy subject around these parts. Gotta watch what ya say.
You ain't just quacking

Learning when to keep my bill shut.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:22 pm

jacfan wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
jacfan wrote:Touchy subject around these parts. Gotta watch what ya say.
You ain't just quacking
Learning when to keep my bill shut.

Ed · Post by Ed » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:36 am

This story continues to develop. It appears that the rumoured talks between Stepney and Honda did actually take place, the interesting bit is that these talks also had Mike Coughlan present as well!

Today (6/7), Honda released the following statement:

Given the speculation surrounding the legal investigations at Ferrari and McLaren, the Honda Racing F1 Team would like to clarify that earlier this year Nigel Stepney, formerly of Scuderia Ferrari, requested a meeting with Nick Fry, Chief Executive Officer of the Honda Racing F1 Team. Nigel Stepney subsequently met in June of this year with Nick Fry and brought with him Mike Coughlan of McLaren, with a view to investigating job opportunities within the Honda Racing F1 Team.

Honda would like to stress that at no point during this meeting was any confidential information offered or received. Nick Fry informed Jean Todt and Ron Dennis of the meeting and has offered to provide any information required by Ferrari and McLaren.