San Marino Results (BAR Penalised - Won't Appeal!)

[Ed]

Thanks sgd,

Full statement from Toyota here

[JayVee]

I had Ralf on a 7th place finish, so obviously would have liked pointswise to have him reinstated, however there never was a case.

Sometime you surprise me with your logical and fair explanations yet you pick Michael for Pole and Win blindly

[Julian Mayo]

I had Ralf on a 7th place finish, so obviously would have liked pointswise to have him reinstated, however there never was a case.

Sometime you surprise me with your logical and fair explanations yet you pick Michael for Pole and Win blindly

And We cannot begin to guess who you will pick for both?

[JayVee]

I had Ralf on a 7th place finish, so obviously would have liked pointswise to have him reinstated, however there never was a case.

Sometime you surprise me with your logical and fair explanations yet you pick Michael for Pole and Win blindly

And We cannot begin to guess who you will pick for both?

Not Webber for sure

[Julian Mayo]

[JayVee]

You are not flippant today

I'll keep quiet and finish the trivia

[Julian Mayo]

You are not flippant today

I'll keep quiet and finish the trivia

Sorry, I keep twitching myself off my non-nuptial couch. It's the nightmares about Nimbi

[K-D]

I had Ralf on a 7th place finish, so obviously would have liked pointswise to have him reinstated, however there never was a case.

Sometime you surprise me with your logical and fair explanations yet you pick Michael for Pole and Win blindly

Dear JayVee,

We go back how many years now?? I am always logical and fair. I accept that we do not all have the same likes and favorites, and I think myself entitled to my favorites, as you and anyone else is to theirs. If "my guy" does something stupid, I will call it stupid, like I will call it when he does something great.

It was obvious that Toyota would lose the appeal. No problem in admitting that.

"My guy" is Michael Schumacher so I will play him in the 8th and pole game as the winner, and the pole sitter for every single race. I have been doing so for the last 5 or 6 years in a number of games on the internet. Playing the games is for fun, not for the prices. So I call my man every single time.

That however should never close anyones eyes to the realities of the sport, and as you know I have already two times this season played Michael, but written why I saw Alonso as the most likely winner.

[JayVee]

We go back how many years now??

40

I am always logical and fair.

Logical OK,

Fair as in lightly coloured

That however should never close anyones eyes to the realities of the sport, and as you know I have already two times this season played Michael, but written why I saw Alonso as the most likely winner.

Yes but you go on about the GPWC as it will never happen and that is far from the truth as without that group there will be no F1 and if we are to have a single series there will have to be compromises by Bernie.
That is the reality

[K-D]

...
Yes but you go on about the GPWC as it will never happen and that is far from the truth as without that group there will be no F1 and if we are to have a single series there will have to be compromises by Bernie.
That is the reality

No I go on about the GPWC as it will never happen as a separate series from F1, regulated by the FIA. A very big difference from your interpretation.

Like them or loathe them. Joe Public will go where Ferrari goes, Ferrari have thrown their hat in with the FIA, so the GPWC needs to get to an agreement with the FIA and Bernie (FOM??), or face becoming dinosaurs.

Once more I will absolute 100% guarantee that the GPWC will not happen as a separate series.

[Julian Mayo]

...
Yes but you go on about the GPWC as it will never happen and that is far from the truth as without that group there will be no F1 and if we are to have a single series there will have to be compromises by Bernie.
That is the reality

No I go on about the GPWC as it will never happen as a separate series from F1, regulated by the FIA. A very big difference from your interpretation.

Like them or loathe them. Joe Public will go where Ferrari goes, Ferrari have thrown their hat in with the FIA, so the GPWC needs to get to an agreement with the FIA and Bernie (FOM??), or face becoming dinosaurs.

Once more I will absolute 100% guarantee that the GPWC will not happen as a separate series.

The fan base will watch the races that representatives of theircountries, or their favourite teams are competing in. Joe Public wants value for money

[Kapel]

The fan base will watch the races that representatives of theircountries, or their favourite teams are competing in. Joe Public wants value for money

Not much racing happens in India & also the only sport where my country can reach the top spot i.e.Cricket ,have fallen behind

But looking forward for our new tennis star "Sania Mirza"

On a more serious note,Whatever the outcome of the infighting,we fans need only 1 series with all these guys present.
Ferrari in F1 and other in GPWC wont work.Ferrari is a team where 50% of the fans want to see beaten by their favorite team & rest 50% wants Ferrari to win against all odds.

This is what we want,only racing no politics!!!

[Julian Mayo]

The fan base will watch the races that representatives of theircountries, or their favourite teams are competing in. Joe Public wants value for money

Not much racing happens in India & also the only sport where my country can reach the top spot i.e.Cricket ,have fallen behind

But looking forward for our new tennis star "Sania Mirza"

On a more serious note,Whatever the outcome of the infighting,we fans need only 1 series with all these guys present.
Ferrari in F1 and other in GPWC wont work.Ferrari is a team where 50% of the fans want to see beaten by their favorite team & rest 50% wants Ferrari to win against all odds.

This is what we want,only racing no politics!!!

I suspect a lot of the "anti" ferrari feeling will die out when Schuey retires.,

[Kapel]

This is what we want,only racing no politics!!!

I suspect a lot of the "anti" ferrari feeling will die out when Schuey retires., [/quote]

Very much doubt it Julian.
Its not Schumi that ppl hate the most its the Ferrari tactics at times,which to most of the ppl is not fair.(I like Ferrari,but dont like what they do to Rubinho )

[Ed]

Hearing update:
The FIA are going after BAR Honda.

The FIA asks the court to exclude the BAR team from the world championship and to fine the team at least one million euros

FIA Technical Delegate confirms knowledge of fuel collector mechanism

It was not a secret mechanicsm. It was an additional tank inside the fuel tank and we have been aware of that since the Malaysian GP this year.