Pizzonia to replace Heidfeld at Interlagos

rah · Post by **rah** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:39 am

Julian Mayo wrote:Do I forsee a JV- RAH thread

Hopefully not, I probably wouldn't read it.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:58 am

But the rest of us would enjoy it

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:43 pm

rah wrote:
JayVee wrote:I repeat "1-1 this year is embarassing for Webber and if he doesn't beat him in Brazil he (and you) will be seriously worried "
More bollocks.

What you say reflects on you!

The fact is - whether you like it or not - is that this season Webber has finished ahead of Pizzonia once while Pizzonia has finished ahead of Webber once. If Pizzonia finishes ahead of Webber in Brazil it will be embarassing for Webber.
Pizzonia the guy who Webber was supposed to have beaten fair and square back in the Jaguar days. The guy who isn't the regular driver in the team. The guy who has just done a day or two of testing in the past few months.
If this guys beats Webber then the obvious conclusion is that Webber has gone backwards when compared to Pizzonia

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:33 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:Now then JV, I want you to make yourself comfortable on that couch and, lie back, close your eyes and relax. Good. Now tell me why it is that, of late, in every single post you either brag your self silly, or attack someone, or both.
Breathe deeply, and just let it all pour out.

Seriously Julian, you go and post some close to ridiculous comment and expect the rest to just nod in agreement

When you claim that the fight over Button has NOTHING to do with his ability
When you claim that Alonso fluked into the right car at the right time
When Kapel claims the Montoya lost Raikkonen the title

To me these are comments bordering the ridiculous and can't just read them and not comment on them. Isn't this the reason why we come here to the forum ?

You have other posts that I agree with, a lot actually but that doesn't mean that I can't express my opinoin.

No Julian, I am not bragging myself silly (of course I am proud of being in the lead in the 8 'n' Pole group) and I am not attacking anyone. I am just responding to what I think are close to ridiculous remarks made by you and Kapel and I have every right to do so as long as it is within the rules.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:39 pm

JayVee wrote:
rah wrote:
JayVee wrote:I repeat "1-1 this year is embarassing for Webber and if he doesn't beat him in Brazil he (and you) will be seriously worried "
More bollocks.
What you say reflects on you!

The fact is - whether you like it or not - is that this season Webber has finished ahead of Pizzonia once while Pizzonia has finished ahead of Webber once. If Pizzonia finishes ahead of Webber in Brazil it will be embarassing for Webber.
Pizzonia the guy who Webber was supposed to have beaten fair and square back in the Jaguar days. The guy who isn't the regular driver in the team. The guy who has just done a day or two of testing in the past few months.
If this guys beats Webber then the obvious conclusion is that Webber has gone backwards when compared to Pizzonia

Absolute rubbish, because we don't know a damn thing about the individual set-ups of the two cars. Mark or Pizzi could be trying some new aero, while the other driver sticks with what they know. You should know that a team that has nothing to lose at this time of the year will experiment with seemingly outrageous ideas on one car while the other car is set up to get what points it can. There is simply no point in comparing results because they will be in two totally different cars.
You might as well say " lets compare Schuey and Sweet FA."

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:42 pm

JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:Now then JV, I want you to make yourself comfortable on that couch and, lie back, close your eyes and relax. Good. Now tell me why it is that, of late, in every single post you either brag your self silly, or attack someone, or both.
Breathe deeply, and just let it all pour out.
Seriously Julian, you go and post some close to ridiculous comment and expect the rest to just nod in agreement

When you claim that the fight over Button has NOTHING to do with his ability
When you claim that Alonso fluked into the right car at the right time
When Kapel claims the Montoya lost Raikkonen the title

To me these are comments bordering the ridiculous and can't just read them and not comment on them. Isn't this the reason why we come here to the forum ?

You have other posts that I agree with, a lot actually but that doesn't mean that I can't express my opinoin.

No Julian, I am not bragging myself silly (of course I am proud of being in the lead in the 8 'n' Pole group) and I am not attacking anyone. I am just responding to what I think are close to ridiculous remarks made by you and Kapel and I have every right to do so as long as it is within the rules.

OK but please read my posts accurately. I think I said something along the lines of MAY in reference to "his ability". I can't be bothered to find it and quote myself. Incidentally I think I am falling for you in a big way

rah · Post by **rah** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:47 pm

JayVee wrote:
rah wrote:
JayVee wrote:I repeat "1-1 this year is embarassing for Webber and if he doesn't beat him in Brazil he (and you) will be seriously worried "
More bollocks.
What you say reflects on you!

The fact is - whether you like it or not - is that this season Webber has finished ahead of Pizzonia once while Pizzonia has finished ahead of Webber once. If Pizzonia finishes ahead of Webber in Brazil it will be embarassing for Webber.
Pizzonia the guy who Webber was supposed to have beaten fair and square back in the Jaguar days. The guy who isn't the regular driver in the team. The guy who has just done a day or two of testing in the past few months.
If this guys beats Webber then the obvious conclusion is that Webber has gone backwards when compared to Pizzonia

Nah sorry, I just can't agree to a comparison over two races. It's bollocks.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:18 pm

JayVee wrote:you have other posts that I agree with, a lot actually but that doesn't mean that I can't express my opinoin
.

I just knew we were made for each other, I can see it now, cuddled up on the couch together, you teaching me all the stats on F1, me teaching you how to spell "opinoin". Ahhh bliss

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:27 pm

JayVee wrote:
you have other posts that I agree with, a lot actually but that doesn't mean that I can't express my opinoin
.

I just knew we were made for each other, I can see it now, cuddled up on the couch together, you teaching me all the stats on F1, me teaching you how to spell "opinoin". Ahhh bliss

Are U sure U 2 R not already married?

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:03 am

Lloyd wrote:JayVee wrote:
you have other posts that I agree with, a lot actually but that doesn't mean that I can't express my opinoin
.

I just knew we were made for each other, I can see it now, cuddled up on the couch together, you teaching me all the stats on F1, me teaching you how to spell "opinoin". Ahhh bliss

Are U sure U 2 R not already married?

Can't be, we are having too much fun!

Bundy · Post by **Bundy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:09 am

rah wrote:
JayVee wrote:
rah wrote:
More bollocks.
What you say reflects on you!

The fact is - whether you like it or not - is that this season Webber has finished ahead of Pizzonia once while Pizzonia has finished ahead of Webber once. If Pizzonia finishes ahead of Webber in Brazil it will be embarassing for Webber.
Pizzonia the guy who Webber was supposed to have beaten fair and square back in the Jaguar days. The guy who isn't the regular driver in the team. The guy who has just done a day or two of testing in the past few months.
If this guys beats Webber then the obvious conclusion is that Webber has gone backwards when compared to Pizzonia
Nah sorry, I just can't agree to a comparison over two races. It's bollocks.

Sorry JV I have to agree with Rah on this.....If you look at the 2 races individually the only time the had a chance of racing against each other was Belgium & AP wasn't within Cooee of MW. MW never had an opportunity to race at the previous GP.

You can only get a realistic comparison over 10+ races. Like comparing NH & MW. They were evenly matched, only 1 point separating them before NH got "injured". Thats a fair comparison...

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:00 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:OK but please read my posts accurately. I think I said something along the lines of MAY in reference to "his ability". I can't be bothered to find it and quote myself. Incidentally I think I am falling for you in a big way

If you want to retract a comment you made, say that. Don't just try to deny what you said. You'd look better that way but you took your chances (just like a few have tried in the past but they were proven WRONG)

I did look for it and here it is

Julian Mayo wrote:Sir Frank is reported to have just knocked back an offer of $US 22 million from Honda for Button.
My read on that is that Sir Frank must have some big sponsorship deal in the pipeline that is dependant on Button joining the team which is worth a lot more, because 22mil buys a lot of cosworth engines. It sure as hell is nothing to do with Buttons ability or lack of.

And take it easy on the WT

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:06 pm

rah wrote: Nah sorry, I just can't agree to a comparison over two races. It's bollocks.

Ok rah let me put it another way:

Say Takuma Sato is fired from BAR and is replaced for the last 3 races by Anthony Davidson. Davidson finishes ahead of Button in 2 of those races. Now wouldn't that be embarassing for Button ?

Take off your Webber tinted glasses will you

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:09 pm

JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:OK but please read my posts accurately. I think I said something along the lines of MAY in reference to "his ability". I can't be bothered to find it and quote myself. Incidentally I think I am falling for you in a big way
If you want to retract a comment you made, say that. Don't just try to deny what you said. You'd look better that way but you took your chances (just like a few have tried in the past but they were proven WRONG)

I did look for it and here it is
Julian Mayo wrote:Sir Frank is reported to have just knocked back an offer of $US 22 million from Honda for Button.
My read on that is that Sir Frank must have some big sponsorship deal in the pipeline that is dependant on Button joining the team which is worth a lot more, because 22mil buys a lot of cosworth engines. It sure as hell is nothing to do with Buttons ability or lack of.
And take it easy on the WT

Hmmm ablity OR lack thereof. Read it as you will

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:11 pm

Bundy wrote: Sorry JV I have to agree with Rah on this.....If you look at the 2 races individually the only time the had a chance of racing against each other was Belgium & AP wasn't within Cooee of MW. MW never had an opportunity to race at the previous GP.

You can only get a realistic comparison over 10+ races. Like comparing NH & MW. They were evenly matched, only 1 point separating them before NH got "injured". Thats a fair comparison...

Fully agree that it isn't a realistic comparison but what I am saying is that if a substitute driver gets a better result than a regular driver it would be embarassing. Any driver, be it Webber, Button, Alonso or whoever.

Regarding Webber and Heidfeld, let me correct you if I may, before Heidfeld got injured he was 4 points ahead of Webber. Just for the sake of accuracy