Has everybody gone crazy??

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:05 pm

Kapel wrote:Hey JayVee,where are you??
have you visited this thread lately & read the arguements /accusation /discussions /opinions

We should have been part of this,dont u think

I know we wouldnt have different opinion on this topic for sure

I am here just observing but since you ask, to me it is a very sad thing for someone to get killed in whatever they do and I don't wish it happens to anyone but reality isn't like that and we will always have such things happen.
Whether you like crashes or not, it is a personal matter. I don't think anyone reasonable and responsible would like to see people killed.
Why I watch this sport ? For the racing, for the strategies, for the technology but certainly not for the crashes

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:26 pm

GhoGho wrote:T-K

Just found this:

Ave sunshine for brighton = 1848.6 hours per year (peak at about 300 per month for july and august.

seems not too bad - could be good odds for SA?

Well we did manage to win 1 game in the last series i think

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:30 pm

mlittle wrote:
<T-K> wrote:It is a sad day, perhaps Mlittle can shed some light on the situation, but it is sad, and tragic to lose someone in any sport, and i dont think anyone likes to see a loss of life.

This much we know......the final practice session for the IndyCar Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway had just began when driver Ed Carpenter spun his racecar around and crashed into the outside wall btwn. turns 1-2; the caution lights came out and everyone out on track began slowing down, going high and low to avoid Carpenter's wrecked car as it began to slide down into the racing line. About six-eight seconds after Carpenter's crash, his car's hit from behind by fellow driver Paul Dana's btwn. the left-rear and gearbox/engine area on Carpenter's car. Carpenter, miraculously, escaped with only a bruised lung.....Dana, as we all know, was not so fortunate.

While no one has officially given an explanation as to what happened....there is one item of note. One of the major Spanish-language broadcast networks w/in the United States, Univision, ran a story on what happened at Homestead and they showed the video of the crash and the subsquent collision btwn. Dana and Carpenter's vehicles from both the ABC Sports feed and the on-board from Scott Sharp's racecar. The video's about a minute long, but about two secs. before the crash, it appears as if Dana's car hit a piece of debris off of Carpenter's car btwn the monocoque(center part of chassis) and the right-front suspension..........all I know is this is the one of the worst accidents I have ever seen in autoracing.

Here's the link to the video in question......
www.teamjuicyracing.com/vids/dana1.wmv

I was really hesitant as to whether or not I wanted to watch that, but I finaly built up the courage, and I can tell you now...i never want to see that happen to anybody EVER again

F1-NUT · Post by **F1-NUT** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:04 pm

<T-K> wrote:
mlittle wrote:
<T-K> wrote:It is a sad day, perhaps Mlittle can shed some light on the situation, but it is sad, and tragic to lose someone in any sport, and i dont think anyone likes to see a loss of life.

This much we know......the final practice session for the IndyCar Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway had just began when driver Ed Carpenter spun his racecar around and crashed into the outside wall btwn. turns 1-2; the caution lights came out and everyone out on track began slowing down, going high and low to avoid Carpenter's wrecked car as it began to slide down into the racing line. About six-eight seconds after Carpenter's crash, his car's hit from behind by fellow driver Paul Dana's btwn. the left-rear and gearbox/engine area on Carpenter's car. Carpenter, miraculously, escaped with only a bruised lung.....Dana, as we all know, was not so fortunate.

While no one has officially given an explanation as to what happened....there is one item of note. One of the major Spanish-language broadcast networks w/in the United States, Univision, ran a story on what happened at Homestead and they showed the video of the crash and the subsquent collision btwn. Dana and Carpenter's vehicles from both the ABC Sports feed and the on-board from Scott Sharp's racecar. The video's about a minute long, but about two secs. before the crash, it appears as if Dana's car hit a piece of debris off of Carpenter's car btwn the monocoque(center part of chassis) and the right-front suspension..........all I know is this is the one of the worst accidents I have ever seen in autoracing.

Here's the link to the video in question......
www.teamjuicyracing.com/vids/dana1.wmv
I was really hesitant as to whether or not I wanted to watch that, but I finaly built up the courage, and I can tell you now...i never want to see that happen to anybody EVER again

Wow, it's my time to be moralistic. And that's rare for me - opinionated, up-front, challenging and a bit annoying, maybe, but you've forced me into it...Why on earth would you want to watch anybody die?!!! There is no way I would want to watch that video. Not in a million years. The thought is just sickening. I just don't get it, for all these protestations to the opposite about racing being about stats and strategy and crashes being something disdainful, somebody has only gone and posted a link to someone dying in a crash on the actual thread saying that! Am I the only one here who is gobsmacked by such blatant hypocrisy?

There are a lot of people who love watching people dying in CCTV and videos etc, at least be honest about it. mlittle and T-K, are you not ashamed of yourselves? 'Courage' to watch it, T-K? Courage? I love car carnage, but watching people dying on the pretense of some misguided form of bravery? There is something wrong with you.

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:41 pm

F1-NUT wrote:Wow, it's my time to be moralistic. And that's rare for me - opinionated, up-front, challenging and a bit annoying, maybe, but you've forced me into it...Why on earth would you want to watch anybody die?!!! There is no way I would want to watch that video. Not in a million years. The thought is just sickening. I just don't get it, for all these protestations to the opposite about racing being about stats and strategy and crashes being something disdainful, somebody has only gone and posted a link to someone dying in a crash on the actual thread saying that! Am I the only one here who is gobsmacked by such blatant hypocrisy?

There are a lot of people who love watching people dying in CCTV and videos etc, at least be honest about it. mlittle and T-K, are you not ashamed of yourselves? 'Courage' to watch it, T-K? Courage? I love car carnage, but watching people dying on the pretense of some misguided form of bravery? There is something wrong with you.

I thought you were going to say something like that, and I am not going to argue with you.........maybe I do regret it.........

F1-NUT · Post by **F1-NUT** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:06 pm

<T-K> wrote:
F1-NUT wrote:Wow, it's my time to be moralistic. And that's rare for me - opinionated, up-front, challenging and a bit annoying, maybe, but you've forced me into it...Why on earth would you want to watch anybody die?!!! There is no way I would want to watch that video. Not in a million years. The thought is just sickening. I just don't get it, for all these protestations to the opposite about racing being about stats and strategy and crashes being something disdainful, somebody has only gone and posted a link to someone dying in a crash on the actual thread saying that! Am I the only one here who is gobsmacked by such blatant hypocrisy?

There are a lot of people who love watching people dying in CCTV and videos etc, at least be honest about it. mlittle and T-K, are you not ashamed of yourselves? 'Courage' to watch it, T-K? Courage? I love car carnage, but watching people dying on the pretense of some misguided form of bravery? There is something wrong with you.

I thought you were going to say something like that, and I am not going to argue with you.........maybe I do regret it.........

Don't beat yourself up about it, T-K. My point all along is that there is something very different from enjoying something like the F1 1998 Spa 12 or so car destruction, where the only injury was a few brusies and a broken leg, than watching something akin to snuff movies with real death involved. Thrills and spills are great, and enjoyable to lots of people, we shouldn't be ashamed for enjoying that side of the sport. But when death and real injury is involved, it stops becoming 'cartoon' and becomes something entirely different.

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:32 pm

<T-K> wrote:
F1-NUT wrote:Wow, it's my time to be moralistic. And that's rare for me - opinionated, up-front, challenging and a bit annoying, maybe, but you've forced me into it...Why on earth would you want to watch anybody die?!!! There is no way I would want to watch that video. Not in a million years. The thought is just sickening. I just don't get it, for all these protestations to the opposite about racing being about stats and strategy and crashes being something disdainful, somebody has only gone and posted a link to someone dying in a crash on the actual thread saying that! Am I the only one here who is gobsmacked by such blatant hypocrisy?

There are a lot of people who love watching people dying in CCTV and videos etc, at least be honest about it. mlittle and T-K, are you not ashamed of yourselves? 'Courage' to watch it, T-K? Courage? I love car carnage, but watching people dying on the pretense of some misguided form of bravery? There is something wrong with you.

I thought you were going to say something like that, and I am not going to argue with you.........maybe I do regret it.........

I'm not going to argue your point, F1-NUT.........I agree with what T-K wrote in response to your posting; it was very irresponsible on my part to post the link in question, and I sincerely apologize for doing so. Sometimes we who follow motorsports need to be reminded that we have a responsibility, not just to cover the sport, but to do so in a responsible manner, which I obviously failed to remember in posting the link in question.

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:40 am

F1-NUT wrote:Making out that I'm being insulting, is actually, quite insulting in itself, but I'll let it pass this once

...well, I never did that...

So try not to take it too personally.

...I will try harder...

However, saying your argument is simplistic, is not insulting and never meant to be, it's just what it is! You can't generalise like that and expect everyone to agree with you.

You are saying young people have no depth and that liking crashes and incidents in sports is wrong.

...I never said this nor did I insinuate it. I'm speaking out about how easily we seem to be able to dehumanize each other these days. Crashes are an exciting inevitability of the sport, but to tune in to anything only to take delight in seeing someone fail or fall is sad, and if that is too moralistic, I'm sorry.

Sometimes you have to put your head above the parapet and say your peice. I'd rather everyone felt sorry for the people being tortured and killed around the world, of for the starving millions, and their children, they are the real issues on this planet. I love F1, but it's an elitist sport, in the face of so much poverty in the world. We're lucky to have the chance to be involved at all.

...I absolutely agree with you here. Please forgive my tit for tat response, but I felt it was important to set the record straight. I believe we have experienced a missunderstanding here. I don't begrudge anyone on how they came to the sport, but with all of the ignorance and unnecessary suffering in the world, I find silence to be akin to compliance.

Chris

F1-NUT · Post by **F1-NUT** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:18 pm

RE30B#16 wrote:
F1-NUT wrote:Making out that I'm being insulting, is actually, quite insulting in itself, but I'll let it pass this once
...well, I never did that...

So try not to take it too personally.
...I will try harder...

However, saying your argument is simplistic, is not insulting and never meant to be, it's just what it is! You can't generalise like that and expect everyone to agree with you.

You are saying young people have no depth and that liking crashes and incidents in sports is wrong.
...I never said this nor did I insinuate it. I'm speaking out about how easily we seem to be able to dehumanize each other these days. Crashes are an exciting inevitability of the sport, but to tune in to anything only to take delight in seeing someone fail or fall is sad, and if that is too moralistic, I'm sorry.

Sometimes you have to put your head above the parapet and say your peice. I'd rather everyone felt sorry for the people being tortured and killed around the world, of for the starving millions, and their children, they are the real issues on this planet. I love F1, but it's an elitist sport, in the face of so much poverty in the world. We're lucky to have the chance to be involved at all.
...I absolutely agree with you here. Please forgive my tit for tat response, but I felt it was important to set the record straight. I believe we have experienced a missunderstanding here. I don't begrudge anyone on how they came to the sport, but with all of the ignorance and unnecessary suffering in the world, I find silence to be akin to compliance.

Chris

Well that's all okay then

Let's kiss and make up and be friends, but perhaps without the kissing and make-up.

But seriously, I can get on my high horse from time to time. I keep telling everyone that it is an endearing personality trait, but they never look that convinced...

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:41 pm

F1-NUT wrote:Well that's all okay then Let's kiss and make up and be friends, but perhaps without the kissing and make-up. But seriously, I can get on my high horse from time to time. I keep telling everyone that it is an endearing personality trait, but they never look that convinced...[/color]

We may as well kiss. My wife has the exact same endearing personality trait! She tells me I have it too. She's probably right.

Chris

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:40 pm

I am a little concerned about this whole business and the kissing and the make up is just making it worse

Irishsnake · Post by **Irishsnake** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:22 am

T-Kin relation to ur original posting i think ur reading to much into peoples enjoyment of the crashes which i have to say i enjoy too but im also a f1 fan who watches the race from start to finish and might then again watch the race again if its showing
the reason they only like the crashes is they dont understand whats going on in the race like when i tried expalining to a friend that it wasnt just cars driving around and around but tried explaining to him the different strategies, the different ways different tyres work during the race, the benefits or hinderance downforce plays on the cars etc etc although i still havnt turned him into a f1 fan he is appreciating the racing is more than just driving around and around

knowledge and education is everything !!!

F1-NUT · Post by **F1-NUT** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:11 pm

Irishsnake wrote:T-Kin relation to ur original posting i think ur reading to much into peoples enjoyment of the crashes which i have to say i enjoy too but im also a f1 fan who watches the race from start to finish and might then again watch the race again if its showing
the reason they only like the crashes is they dont understand whats going on in the race like when i tried expalining to a friend that it wasnt just cars driving around and around but tried explaining to him the different strategies, the different ways different tyres work during the race, the benefits or hinderance downforce plays on the cars etc etc although i still havnt turned him into a f1 fan he is appreciating the racing is more than just driving around and around

knowledge and education is everything !!!

Yep, that is very true. The thrills and spills are just as exciting as strategy and the technology - that's what makes F1 such a unique sport! Bring on the weekend!

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:27 pm

Irishsnake wrote:T-Kin relation to ur original posting i think ur reading to much into peoples enjoyment of the crashes which i have to say i enjoy too but im also a f1 fan who watches the race from start to finish and might then again watch the race again if its showing
the reason they only like the crashes is they dont understand whats going on in the race like when i tried expalining to a friend that it wasnt just cars driving around and around but tried explaining to him the different strategies, the different ways different tyres work during the race, the benefits or hinderance downforce plays on the cars etc etc although i still havnt turned him into a f1 fan he is appreciating the racing is more than just driving around and around

knowledge and education is everything !!!

How many times do you get that look when you tell someone that you are a passionate motorsport fan ? Most step back, put on this strange suspicious look and ask: you mean those things that go round and round and you say oh no not again

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:29 pm

JayVee wrote:
Irishsnake wrote:T-Kin relation to ur original posting i think ur reading to much into peoples enjoyment of the crashes which i have to say i enjoy too but im also a f1 fan who watches the race from start to finish and might then again watch the race again if its showing
the reason they only like the crashes is they dont understand whats going on in the race like when i tried expalining to a friend that it wasnt just cars driving around and around but tried explaining to him the different strategies, the different ways different tyres work during the race, the benefits or hinderance downforce plays on the cars etc etc although i still havnt turned him into a f1 fan he is appreciating the racing is more than just driving around and around

knowledge and education is everything !!!

How many times do you get that look when you tell someone that you are a passionate motorsport fan ? Most step back, put on this strange suspicious look and ask: you mean those things that go round and round and you say oh no not again

I used to hide the fact, until I put a certain banner on "Therapy". It is a little more difficult now.