FIA / GPMA - F1 from 2008 (FIA and GPMA in agreement!)

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:45 am

Unlike when Tony George proposed the IRL, I an for the split and I will follow whatever series that is devoid of "Bernie." Bernie seized total control of Formula 1 from Jean-Paul Balestra in 1982, but the sport has been lopsided in some way ever since.

In 1982, a dream came true for me when Formula 1 started racing through the potholed streets of my hometown Detroit, Michigan. After 6 years, and with the arrival of superstar Ayrton Senna daSilva, the race finally broke even in 1987 and made a modest profit of $4 million in 1988. The following year, Ecclestone used a loophole in the contract to demand 4 times what the city had spent to stage the race the previous year or else F1 would not come back to the Motor City. This came at a time of recession in the auto industry worldwide, however there was no reason for Ecclestone to demand this kind of raise other than sheer greed. Fortunately for the city leaders, CART came to the rescue and staged the first CART Grand Prix of Detroit for one-tenth what they were already spending to host Formula 1.

Bernie Ecclestone is a racketeering gangster, and the sport would be much better off with out him.

Chris

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:25 am

I concur

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:47 am

RE30B#16 wrote:Bernie Ecclestone is a racketeering gangster, and the sport would be much better off with out him.

.. and I concur!
the sport's money not going to the develop of sport itself but to that gangster's pocket is sad.

Go GPWC!!!!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:00 pm

Sorry SGD, Im having trouble picturing Bernie with a trenchcoat, collar turned up, fedora tugged down low, and tommy gun barking at his hip

I prefer to think of him as a corporate pirate with no conscience, and no love of the sport, and no respect for, the manufacturers, the teams, the drivers, or the fans ( excluding ferrari, I think they must have him on a retainer)

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Mon May 02, 2005 7:10 pm

Overall Bernie did a good job, F1 is THE product. Not too sure about Max Mosley, some of his decisions are definite sh1te....

Anyway you wont have a GPWC called GPWC but eventually an agreement with Bernie and a new F1, and dont be shocked with THE team, FERRARI....

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Mon May 02, 2005 8:09 pm

We fans dont need a split series,F1 or GPWC,its our money that these people are fighting for.

Mosely should be out for sure,Bernie or no Bernie,i dont care!!!But a dictator is need to control this sport or else we'll see more of politics ,more infighting between the teams and not only against Ferrari but between everyone.
Firstly ,remove the rules which give traditional manufacturers/teams(Ferrari) additional money or powerful manufacturers/teams(Mclaren,Williams,Renault etc) additonal sum cos they are the drivers of the sport??
Secondly,Y cant the money be shared equally among all, including Minardis,Saubers & Jordans.
F1 for everyteam today is all about making money and not one manufacturer cares about the fans like us.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:26 pm

Kapel wrote:F1 for everyteam today is all about making money and not one manufacturer cares about the fans like us.

I don't agree... For some teams, like Reanult, money and cares about the fans are synonymous, they are really going to the public, remember Madrid? Roma? Moscow? now Istanbul, i think... for manufacturers and teams which sell products to many pople, money and fans are synonymous (Renault, Mercedes, RedBull, Toyota, Honda, BMW...).

For Ferrari, Mclaren, Williams, Jordan, Minardi maybe not, but some of them depend on manufacturers, so...

Remains Ferrari and Minardi... (Midland?) they can actually do no care about the fans, which indeed is the situation.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:50 pm

sgd wrote:
Kapel wrote:F1 for everyteam today is all about making money and not one manufacturer cares about the fans like us.

I don't agree... For some teams, like Reanult, money and cares about the fans are synonymous, they are really going to the public, remember Madrid? Roma? Moscow? now Istanbul, i think... for manufacturers and teams which sell products to many pople, money and fans are synonymous (Renault, Mercedes, RedBull, Toyota, Honda, BMW...).

For Ferrari, Mclaren, Williams, Jordan, Minardi maybe not, but some of them depend on manufacturers, so...

Remains Ferrari and Minardi... (Midland?) they can actually do no care about the fans, which indeed is the situation.

Sydney, Australia, is a city built on two sides of a harbour
Williams-BMW closed the harbour bridge for 4 hours or so, and mark did a few runs across it. It and the Opera House are huge icons in Australia
I call that taking F1 to the fans

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Tue May 03, 2005 7:04 pm

FERRARI had a great F1 roadshow incl.Rubens Barrichello in Prague last year.....generally I would be very surprised if they make less PR than RENAULT or WILLIAMS........

Cheers F1gpwc

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue May 03, 2005 7:17 pm

F1greyhound wrote:FERRARI had a great F1 roadshow incl.Rubens Barrichello in Prague last year.....generally I would be very surprised if they make less PR than RENAULT or WILLIAMS........

Cheers F1gpwc

Look, I totally agee. The point I was trying to make tho, is given the geography of the city,Williams BMW stopped everything. Trains, buses, private transport. There was blanket media coverage. Every TV station, every newspaper, etc, for days before the event, and on the day. I shall die happy having seen and heard an Australian blasting an F1 car across " my harbour bridge. There was not another sound, cep't a screaming BMW (last years car) Mark gave it heaps in the lower gears.
Great publicity, great for the fans

Ed · Post by Ed » Tue May 10, 2005 11:38 am

The major manufacturers in Formula One (except Ferrari) announce a new association.

They agreed to propose to use the 2.4l V8 engines until the end of 2008. They also called for an independent, readily accessible and swift appeals process, administered by an internationally recognised body.

Full Statement

The FIA responded by stating that the Court of Appeal is an independent body and that the manufacturers invited themselves into Formula One having accepted the rules and structures of the sport.
The FIA also stated that comments by the BAR Honda managment are under investigation.

Full Statement

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue May 10, 2005 11:55 am

F1 seems to be a tad undemocratic at the moment

The FIA is starting to remind me of the band on the Titanic

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed May 11, 2005 3:21 pm

But Julian, if F1 has to become completely democratic,do u think this sport will have a smooth running??

Will Jean Todt,Ron Dennis,Frank Williams,Flavio n all these guy come to any conclusions regarding a particular rule???I guess never.

The guys cant agree on qualifying cos its working for some and not working for others

A dictator is needed ,mayb a change in dictator for sure.

GPWC,as i understand,is for more money(TV rights),clear rules,non-changing of formats/rules/qualifying etc so frequently.Which if done in a democratic way during a longer period would not be able to sustain.Defintely one of the principals from the "group of nine" would defer/object if its not going its teams way.

F1 or GPWC, a dictator is needed for smooth operations

.(this is my opinion)

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed May 11, 2005 3:33 pm

Kapel wrote:But Julian, if F1 has to become completely democratic,do u think this sport will have a smooth running??

Will Jean Todt,Ron Dennis,Frank Williams,Flavio n all these guy come to any conclusions regarding a particular rule???I guess never.
The guys cant agree on qualifying cos its working for some and not working for others
A dictator is needed ,mayb a change in dictator for sure.

GPWC,as i understand,is for more money(TV rights),clear rules,non-changing of formats/rules/qualifying etc so frequently.Which if done in a democratic way during a longer period would not be able to sustain.Defintely one of the principals from the "group of nine" would defer/object if its not going its teams way.

F1 or GPWC, a dictator is needed for smooth operations .(this is my opinion)

A totally independent tribunal is required so we don't have a possible scenario where a head honcho says "i want that team outed", and then makes it plain who will be next

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed May 11, 2005 3:39 pm

julian mayo wrote: A totally independent tribunal is required so we don't have a possible scenario where a head honcho says "i want that team outed", and then makes it plain who will be next

"Plain" told ya get ur AXE out & not the rusted one

Agreed!! Bernie & Mosely should be drowned or lets send them to POK(Pakistan occupied Kashmir)