2010 F1 regulations - budget cap - Teams threaten to quit

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:44 pm

jido wrote:
Mosley said: "I think we're all agreed now that it's desirable that all the teams race under the same regulations. I think there's no difficulty about that."
Woo-hoo!! Maybe some common sense coming back in F1?

Hey, Jido,........nah, Bernie gave Max a slapping, but Max likes that......expect more of the same old. same old................

Ed · Post by Ed » Tue May 19, 2009 12:18 am

Max Mosley is claiming that Ferrari had breached their agreement with Bernie Ecclestone's FOM because they setup FOTA!

Max said:

Essentially, they walked away by forming FOTA. They were always supposed to be loyal to the FIA, work with us and cooperate.

It is the first public statement by Max Mosley implying FOTA aren't cooperative. In fact, on several occassions in the past FOTA and the FIA agreed on many of the cost cutting measures that came into effect this season.
The change in the points system though wasn't one of them and FOTA succeeded in overturning that one.

Latest news articles:
F1 crisis action to resume on Tuesday
FOTA breached Ferrari's 'veto' rights - Mosley

Ed · Post by Ed » Tue May 19, 2009 8:12 pm

As the FOTA teams meet today to discuss alternatives to the FIA's budget cap, it appears that both sides are toughening their stands with Max Mosley warning any team that doesn't lodge their entry application for 2010 could miss out. While Michael Schumacher has defended Ferrari's decision to threaten withdrawing from the sport.

It is also expected that the court where Ferrari has applied for an injunction will make its ruling in the next few days.

Related:
Mosley warns rebel teams of 2010 lock-out
Ferrari court verdict set for delay
Also Schumacher backs Ferrari quit threat

Ed · Post by Ed » Wed May 20, 2009 11:42 pm

The Paris Court where Ferrari has applied for an injunction has ruled that the 2010 rules are legal.

This is a setback for the teams opposing the budget cap rules and stengthens the position of the FIA. It remains to be seen whether the FOTA teams will come up with an alternative and whether it would be accepted by the FIA.

Latest articles:
FIA hits out after Ferrari court bid
Ferrari pours scorn on 2010 F1 hopefuls
Paris court declares 2010 rules legal
Vettel hopes for seat at end of F1 conflict
FIA would appeal 2010 rules injunction
Ferrari court verdict set for Wednesday
FIA should listen to existing teams - Alonso
McLaren could meet FIA's May 29 deadline

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:34 am

FWIW, you know what Sado-Max should say to Ferrari and all the other teams opposed to the 2010 regs.........

If you want to leave, okay............There's the door; don't let it hit you in the --- as you're leaving!

Then we'd see if Ferrari was really serious about leaving.

(apologies for the language in the quote.......

)

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu May 21, 2009 5:05 pm

Here is the full statement from Ferrari following the court ruling:

Ferrari has noted the verdict of the Tribunal de Grande Instance with regards to the request to suspend with all haste the consequences of the decision taken by the FIA World Council on 29th April.

The existence and validity of Ferrari’s right of veto, as sanctioned in a written agreement with the FIA Senate, were recognized by the Court, as was the fact that this dispute is of a contractual nature. Consequently, it was also recognized that the dispute was not a matter for the internal tribunal of the FIA, but rather a matter for normal civil courts. The Court believed that the right of veto should have been exercised during the World Council meetings of 17th March and 29th April. It therefore chose to let the civil law courts rule on the urgency of the matter.

Such a decision, which is not prejudicial to the outcome of the matter, allows the FIA to impose on those teams entered in the 2010 world championship, regulations that have been drawn up unilaterally without respecting the agreed procedures. In the final analysis, Ferrari has been forced to use its right of veto, in defence of its own interests and those of all the teams participating in the Formula 1 World Championship.

While continuing to evaluate whether or not to continue with this legal action already underway, Ferrari confirms its commitment to work within FOTA in conjunction with the FIA and the Commercial Rights Holder to ensure that Formula 1 is a series where the rules are the same for everyone and which benefits from stability in the regulations, while continuing the work of the past few months in moving forward methodically and gradually towards reducing costs.

If it is not possible for all parties to reach agreement, then in line with the decision of the Main Board, taken on 12th May, Ferrari will not enter its cars in a competition that, with the planned scenario in place, would see a watering down of the characteristics that have endowed Formula 1 with the status of the most important motor sport series and that have specifically led to the Maranello marque’s uninterrupted participation in the world championship since 1950. In this situation, Ferrari will continue to compete in races of a calibre worthy of the marque, matching its level of innovation and technological research.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:43 pm

This is sad

These people should sort this out quickly. But maybe not, maybe out of this we'll have a new series run by the teams. Then Max can go and tweak GP2

Why not!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:19 pm

JayVee wrote:This is sad

These people should sort this out quickly. But maybe not, maybe out of this we'll have a new series run by the teams. Then Max can go and tweak GP2

Why not!

I rather fancy watching Vettel, Massa, Webber, Kimi, (IF he can rejuvinate himself), Kubica, Alonso, Heidfield, Sutil (who still has the F3 Record at Monaco

) et al on what was the A1GP world tour,............

No Bernie TV times, No frikkin Max (who has done one helluva lot for F1, before he became MAX..............(and just quietly, no one should be allowed to make any formative decision following the recent death of a close family member, and I do speak from bitter experience)
The circuits are there, the TV (without Bernie) is there.....and, Go for it MLittle, bring on your American Barges................

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sat May 23, 2009 9:19 am

After their meeting, all ten FOTA teams have told Max that they will withdraw, rather than compete on his terms.
Good Luck Max.

Ed · Post by Ed » Sat May 23, 2009 1:05 pm

It appears that the crisis could be resolved sooner rather than later. At least that's the optimistic view but it seems that there is still a way to go with meetings scheduled for today between FOTA and the FIA.

Of course, the other view is that this crisis will drag longer particularly if differences arise among the FOTA teams.

Related:
Crucial Monaco meetings underway
Teams unified after superyacht meeting
Only two teams oppose budget caps - Head
No agreement yet after Mosley meeting
Crisis moves towards solution in Monaco

Ed · Post by Ed » Sun May 24, 2009 12:07 pm

Following the more 'positive' news from Monaco on Friday it emerges that there are still fundemental differences between the FOTA position and the FIA. Moreover, it appears that some of the FOTA teams are pushing for an extension to the deadline for entry submissions to the 2010 Formula 1 Championships.

More:
No crisis meetings for Saturday
Teams may seek May 29 entry extension
Crisis meetings not constructive - Ecclestone

Ed · Post by Ed » Sun May 24, 2009 9:26 pm

Peter Windsor during the pre-race coverage for the Monaco Grand Prix believes the current crisis will be resolved and the solution will be a gradual introduction of budget caps over a few years

Ed · Post by Ed » Mon May 25, 2009 2:28 am

It appears that a compromise solution has been reach in the 'budget cap' crisis. Full details have yet to emerge but at a high level, the budget cap will now come in 2011 and all the teams are expected to lodge applications for the 2010 F1 Championship in time.

There also appears to be a breakthrough in the commercial discussions with Bernie as he agrees to give the teams more of the revenue.

More:
'Solution' to F1 crisis in sight now - Mosley

Ed · Post by Ed » Mon May 25, 2009 10:26 am

Following the encouraging news that the 'budget cap' crisis was about to be resolved, it has emerged that all the current teams have requested that the 2010 regulations be torn up and the FIA and FOTA agree on measures to cut costs and make the sport more affordable.

More:
Teams tell Mosley to tear up 2010 rules

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Mon May 25, 2009 2:28 pm

Can someone tell these kids to get out of the sand pit, playtime is over!