V8 testing for 2006

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:37 pm

With the lighter V8 block, different centre of gravity etc, it is a whole new ball game for the tyre companies as well.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:10 pm

Most of the cars i feel would start from point zero.
But Michelin would still have an edge

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:18 pm

rah wrote:
JayVee wrote:But there aren't too many unknowns!

The engine is the only change (as far as I know). I think all the other regs are the same.

For some teams it will be a big change like Williams for example, new engine supplier and new tyres. For Toyota it will be new tyres but the rest will not have many unknowns.

Toyota or Williams may get it right but when it comes to predicting, you usually take the safer path and I would say McLaren and Renault will have the edge however given McLaren's engine problems, I would expect them to have all sorts of problems with their new engine (they can't get a V10 to consistently last 2 races!!) and that leaves Renault in front.
Yes but it is a whole new engine. Most of the development put into the V10 will not be much help. Normally I would say that Renault would be the pick next year but I won't be predicting anything until we get towards the end of winter testing.

I agree about McLaren, but strager things have happened. I know you predicted Ferraris demise this year, but who would have thought that they would struggle as much as they have.

It is all just too hard to predict what next year will bring. But it will be interesting.

I am just making my predictions a bit early

On Ferrari, I had a strong feeling that the tyre rule would hurt them a lot. And they aren't really struggling that badly. They are 3rd

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:19 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:With the lighter V8 block, different centre of gravity etc, it is a whole new ball game for the tyre companies as well.

If that is the case, it will make matters worse for Bridgestone as the data Williams and Toyota bring accross will be useless

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:21 pm

Kapel wrote:Most of the cars i feel would start from point zero.
But Michelin would still have an edge

With the exception of Minardi and Jordan, I thought they always start from point Zero every year

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:32 pm

JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:With the lighter V8 block, different centre of gravity etc, it is a whole new ball game for the tyre companies as well.
If that is the case, it will make matters worse for Bridgestone as the data Williams and Toyota bring accross will be useless

Toyota has extensive data from testing so far,what tyre are they running ? all the data from this season is null and void.

cmlean · Post by **cmlean** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:04 pm

Bridgestone will have more competitive teams to obtain data from for next year. This will be more beneficial to Ferrari in terms of tyre development.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:54 am

cmlean wrote:Bridgestone will have more competitive teams to obtain data from for next year. This will be more beneficial to Ferrari in terms of tyre development.

Ferraari have just sacked a whole bunch of people from their road car factories

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:27 pm

cmlean wrote:Bridgestone will have more competitive teams to obtain data from for next year. This will be more beneficial to Ferrari in terms of tyre development.

They could,but i feel b'cos of this year performnace they havent been able to upgrade/improve in their aero department,which might hurt them next year

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:07 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:With the lighter V8 block, different centre of gravity etc, it is a whole new ball game for the tyre companies as well.
If that is the case, it will make matters worse for Bridgestone as the data Williams and Toyota bring accross will be useless
Toyota has extensive data from testing so far,what tyre are they running ? all the data from this season is null and void.

And you really think Michelin are that stupid!! They let Toyota test on development tyres for 2006 knowing they are switching camps ????

Remember Michelin asking Sauber not to allow Massa to test for the team after he signed for Ferrari.

I would bet Michelin would not give away any sensitive information for next year until they had a firm contract in place.

They know all the trouble Bridgestone are prepared to go to for a piece of Michelin rubber

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:02 pm

JayVee wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:
If that is the case, it will make matters worse for Bridgestone as the data Williams and Toyota bring accross will be useless
Toyota has extensive data from testing so far,what tyre are they running ? all the data from this season is null and void.
And you really think Michelin are that stupid!! They let Toyota test on development tyres for 2006 knowing they are switching camps ????

Remember Michelin asking Sauber not to allow Massa to test for the team after he signed for Ferrari.

I would bet Michelin would not give away any sensitive information for next year until they had a firm contract in place.

They know all the trouble Bridgestone are prepared to go to for a piece of Michelin rubber

Ah JV, JV...I asked a question. What tyres were they running ?

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:16 am

It is very hard to predict who will get it right first but I must admit that I am not too confident with McLaren getting a reliable V8 in the first few races.
Toyota and Honda may give us a surprise but I wouldn't discount Ferrari or Renault!
Cosworth may be strong early in the season but the others will catch up quickly.

Ed · Post by Ed » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:04 pm

Ferrari tested at the Vallelunga circuit on the 26th and 27th of October. Felipe Massa was driving the F2004 fitted with a V8 engine.

On the first day Felipe Massa set a best time of 1:14.366 while on the second day he set a 1:13.007.

As the team tested on a modified version of the track times cannot be compared.

Ferrari will return back to the track on the 1st of November.

cmlean · Post by **cmlean** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:18 pm

The abandoning of the race distance tyre is going to set everyone back. This testing by Ferrari will become null and void in relation to setup as tyres will be softer therefore the cars will faster than previously expected. The V8 engine and aero development are the worthwhile benefits of the test..

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:30 am

cmlean wrote:The abandoning of the race distance tyre is going to set everyone back. This testing by Ferrari will become null and void in relation to setup as tyres will be softer therefore the cars will faster than previously expected. The V8 engine and aero development are the worthwhile benefits of the test..

I will bet they are already testing on 2-3 stopper tyres, while Michelin are yet to produce theirs.