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aw, c'mon rah! Admit it, it would be great. It would make an awesome difference.

If max starts implementing some real genuine creativity into his leadership, I'll become a fan. Mark my words!!

BlinkyBill wrote:Vote 1 BlinkyBill to run F1, he's no dill
Vote 1 BlinkyBill to run F1, he's no dill
Vote 1 BlinkyBill to run F1, he's no dill

You fit perfectly here

As the winner of the F1 idiots group I invite you to join

I like the cars starting facing backwards. Sato will be challenged

BlinkyBill wrote:aw, c'mon rah! Admit it, it would be great. It would make an awesome difference.

If max starts implementing some real genuine creativity into his leadership, I'll become a fan. Mark my words!!

Well maybe i did like the starting the wrong way idea.

I have heard that the F1 Regulations have been tweaked to close the apparent loophole on Fuel.

But, its only added to the confusion. . . or is that because its monday morning?

Ed - I need some more explanantion. The article I saw said:

- Top 10 Cars were able to refuel back up to the fuel load they started the last session of qualifying on
- but this created an incentive to go slow in the last session (??? How??? so the P10 and P11 arent advantaged??? Dont really get this)
- But as a result there is now a 110% rule. Teams only get a fuel credit for laps within 110% of their fastest lap.

That keeps things simple for fans.
On a 1m 25sec track. 10% is 8.5 seconds . . . that is a pretty big gap.

BlinkyBill wrote:I have heard that the F1 Regulations have been tweaked to close the apparent loophole on Fuel.

But, its only added to the confusion. . . or is that because its monday morning?

Ed - I need some more explanantion. The article I saw said:

- Top 10 Cars were able to refuel back up to the fuel load they started the last session of qualifying on
- but this created an incentive to go slow in the last session (??? How??? so the P10 and P11 arent advantaged??? Dont really get this)
- But as a result there is now a 110% rule. Teams only get a fuel credit for laps within 110% of their fastest lap.

That keeps things simple for fans.
On a 1m 25sec track. 10% is 8.5 seconds . . . that is a pretty big gap.

Haven't seen anything official from the FIA about this but there has been talk about this apparent loophole in the new qualifying system.

Basically with the rules as they are now, the final 10 head into the 3rd session with their race fuel load. After the end of the session they refuel back to the level they started the session with.

This creates a scenario by which a driver goes into the final session with say 25 laps of fuel, uses up 15 laps during the 20 minutes session by just circling around effectively qualifying on 10 laps of fuel then starting the race with 25 laps worth of fuel.

Now this 110% rule won't really close that loophole completely but I suspect it forces the teams not to go too slow while they try to burn as much fuel as possible and avoids an embarassing traffic jam!

They should have simply allowed refuelling at the end of the 3rd session and limited the number of laps each car has. Now they are just patching the rules up and this isn't the end of it. We will certainly see some interesting scenarios in the first few races.

Mad Max strikes again. How do these witless morons get into the positions of power

Ed wrote:

BlinkyBill wrote:I have heard that the F1 Regulations have been tweaked to close the apparent loophole on Fuel.

But, its only added to the confusion. . . or is that because its monday morning?

Ed - I need some more explanantion. The article I saw said:

- Top 10 Cars were able to refuel back up to the fuel load they started the last session of qualifying on
- but this created an incentive to go slow in the last session (??? How??? so the P10 and P11 arent advantaged??? Dont really get this)
- But as a result there is now a 110% rule. Teams only get a fuel credit for laps within 110% of their fastest lap.

That keeps things simple for fans.
On a 1m 25sec track. 10% is 8.5 seconds . . . that is a pretty big gap.

Haven't seen anything official from the FIA about this but there has been talk about this apparent loophole in the new qualifying system.

Basically with the rules as they are now, the final 10 head into the 3rd session with their race fuel load. After the end of the session they refuel back to the level they started the session with.

This creates a scenario by which a driver goes into the final session with say 25 laps of fuel, uses up 15 laps during the 20 minutes session by just circling around effectively qualifying on 10 laps of fuel then starting the race with 25 laps worth of fuel.

Now this 110% rule won't really close that loophole completely but I suspect it forces the teams not to go too slow while they try to burn as much fuel as possible and avoids an embarassing traffic jam!

They should have simply allowed refuelling at the end of the 3rd session and limited the number of laps each car has. Now they are just patching the rules up and this isn't the end of it. We will certainly see some interesting scenarios in the first few races.

Thanks Ed,

I cant see why, in that scenario, teams would care what fuel they burn. Unless they might try and manipulate lap times in order to conceal their actual race strategy?

The more fuel you burn the lighter the car resulting in a better Qualifying time and a better grid position. They will then fill up to the levels they had prior to qualifying for the start of the race.
So unlike last year when a car goes light in qualifying, it pitted a few laps into the race, with this scenario the car will stay out at least as long as the number of laps it did in the 3rd qualifying which could be enough for a normal pit stop in a 2 stop scenario.
The impact of this is that if all the 10 cars do the same, we'll see just cars going round and round for 18 minutes then all will pit for new tyres and go back out just before the flag for their flyer. Of course only a few will have a clean run due to the traffic!

This scenario means that engines will be used a bit more but if they run with low revs in the first 18 minutes, the engines should be fine.

Maximum cars would be 8.

You can't expect McLaren to risk running for 20 minutes

Ed wrote:The more fuel you burn the lighter the car resulting in a better Qualifying time and a better grid position. They will then fill up to the levels they had prior to qualifying for the start of the race.
So unlike last year when a car goes light in qualifying, it pitted a few laps into the race, with this scenario the car will stay out at least as long as the number of laps it did in the 3rd qualifying which could be enough for a normal pit stop in a 2 stop scenario.
The impact of this is that if all the 10 cars do the same, we'll see just cars going round and round for 18 minutes then all will pit for new tyres and go back out just before the flag for their flyer. Of course only a few will have a clean run due to the traffic!

This scenario means that engines will be used a bit more but if they run with low revs in the first 18 minutes, the engines should be fine.

That means we're just going to be back to a few years ago with no-one really doing much for the majority of the qualifying time and only seeing the real action in the last few minutes! Well, at least Max has ensured that there ARE going to be cars on the track I suppose. I think they should have limited the number of laps per driver to three or four instead. At least that way we'd see continuous real qualifying for most of the session, particularly if they kept the rule of qualifying in order like last year...

But that would take too long. 4 laps per car in order . . . we have enough probs getting TV coverage of qualifying . . . I think keeping it to one hour is still important.

Ed what does this 110% rule signify?

What if the last car i.e.10th car is not in 110% of pole sitter? WIll he be not allowed to refuel or not race?

Isn't it 110% of their own best time they have done in that session? And the penalty is that that lap doesn't count towards... this is bloomin' confusing...who makes up these rules?

Snowy wrote:Isn't it 110% of their own best time they have done in that session? And the penalty is that that lap doesn't count towards... this is bloomin' confusing...who makes up these rules?

Mad MAx