The 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix

[Julian Mayo]

No i do not think that the world revolves around Webber, I do not wait til someone is a champion before giving them my support...unlike most australians.

I hopoe you are not including me in this statement. Although my user name is Jacfan, that came from '96 when Jacques joined F1 and I have continued to support him throughout his lean years. However I am extremely proud of Mark. I met him at one of the Australian GPs before he entered F1 and he seemed a really nice genuine guy. I think Mark is a great driver (regardless of what others think) and I actually don't think he has to prove himself to anyone. Given the right circumstances I think most of the drivers out there are capable of winning a WDC. After all they are supposed to be the very best in their field. I personally don't have a problem with supporting more than one driver.

Jacfan, me and Julian had many discussions about this in the past, several times he accused me of dumping Villeneuve in favour of Alonso. On several occassions I explained to him my position yet since he has nothing else to argue with, he brings this up again.
I support both Villeneuve and Alonso but for some reason Julian has a problem with that.
As you are relatively new here, I thought I'd let you know.

JayVee, as soon as it became apparant that JV wasn't going to do well, you jumped ship for the bloke I had been praising...AND it was me who coined the phrase Alonso the cute

[Julian Mayo]

goooosfraba, peace people. This is just a forum for peoples opinions about how rich companies spend their money going around in circles as fast as they can.

Lets just remember that before getting agro at each other.

Awwwwwwww.

[Julian Mayo]

Just for interest sake, does someone know who posted the fastest lap time?
And just for chuckles sake, who got the second fastest lap time. I have hear who it was but that is unbelieveable and I do not want to sound like a fool (well more like one) if I am wrong.

well ?..........waiting

[Julian Mayo]

What the hell hapened here??

Jacfan this is a duel N u were worried with some petty arguements between us


Wondering which post to reply in this thread

Roll up ur sleeves and wade right in Bro

[Julian Mayo]

Kapel stop generalising, you say anyone, who is anyone Who did a mistake and got scot free ?

JayVee,the arguement here is not about getting scot free from the stewards.Dont u read the context of the quote before u answer?

Its about,not getting ripped to threads here in this forum!!!

Never have i seen u say anything so nasty about any driver on the grid for the same mistake done as Michael

But thats u..

Kapel, you are starting to sound like Julian ...... you are the authority too ?

First name one driver who has done anything as mean and nasty as your driver ?
Plus, your driver is a multi-repeat offender, he should actually be stripped off his license and banned

THERE IS ONLY ONE AUTHORITY

[JayVee]

You make it sound as if Alonso is the first to do such a move. Brake testing always happens in racing. Nothing to do with being Champ or not.

Exactly JayVee.Everyone does.So will Alonso & probably even worse things.So stop abt ur driver being the honest & fair driver on planet f1.He has just started to do things which every1 did..Be fair in critisicm,dont have the heart to say anything against him do u?

Huh ? I said he deserved the penalty. He didn't jump up and down and complain. He accepted and got on with it.

You are the one who is complaining that no one mentioned this incident. If he got a fair penalty what is there to complain about ?

Yes i would,cos Michael wouldnt have got scot free with this by u.

You are just looking for an argument. You are assuming things!!

Many drivers have done that in the past and many will in the future. Lets hope they all get penalised and no one gets away with it.

They will get penalised,& they should be.Lets see if they get thrashed in this forum,if they r ppl's fav driver I doubt it.

Thrashed for what ? If they accept it then fine but if they go blaming others then maybe

You just love conspiracies don't you.

Just like your driver, you can't accept he made a mistake. It was all in his hands, he could have slowed down but be didn't. He was in the wrong. End of story.

As for tactical, well Michael passed 2 cars under the red flag. Enough said

JayVee,dont say things for what u dont know..chk my race post & then reply.

Do u read my post on tactical???Oh forget it...
U cannot accept ur driver made a mistake(dont have the guts to critisize him for his mistake & say that every1 does it) ,ruined his race & chance for a victory,thats y u just wanna glorify his performance for self satisfaction making his the rainmaster ...sorry without winning races in wets consistently no1 gets that tag

This is how you react when you figure out you were wrong. Michael passed 2 cars under red and not only Alonsos.
Alonso didn't trick him but you cannot accept that your driver stuffed up. You have to blame someone/something else.

Alonso's performance on Sunday was superb, grand, very impressive and that isn't just me, everyone who watches Formula 1 said so.

In years to come his performance here will be remembered just like those many great performances in the wet from the great Senna

Your rainmeister was lapped, go watch the old tapes and live in his glory if you want. For now it is Alonso

[JayVee]

I hopoe you are not including me in this statement. Although my user name is Jacfan, that came from '96 when Jacques joined F1 and I have continued to support him throughout his lean years. However I am extremely proud of Mark. I met him at one of the Australian GPs before he entered F1 and he seemed a really nice genuine guy. I think Mark is a great driver (regardless of what others think) and I actually don't think he has to prove himself to anyone. Given the right circumstances I think most of the drivers out there are capable of winning a WDC. After all they are supposed to be the very best in their field. I personally don't have a problem with supporting more than one driver.

Jacfan, me and Julian had many discussions about this in the past, several times he accused me of dumping Villeneuve in favour of Alonso. On several occassions I explained to him my position yet since he has nothing else to argue with, he brings this up again.
I support both Villeneuve and Alonso but for some reason Julian has a problem with that.
As you are relatively new here, I thought I'd let you know.

JayVee, as soon as it became apparant that JV wasn't going to do well, you jumped ship for the bloke I had been praising...AND it was me who coined the phrase Alonso the cute

You can say anything you like, you are getting sillier by the post.

[rah]

Just for interest sake, does someone know who posted the fastest lap time?
And just for chuckles sake, who got the second fastest lap time. I have hear who it was but that is unbelieveable and I do not want to sound like a fool (well more like one) if I am wrong.

well ?..........waiting

As far as I can see, the fastest lap was by Massa.

And umm well from what I can gather, taking all things into consideration, discounting possible aberations and cutting a long story short....... Albers with 1.26.117.

[gkaytaz]

It's a tad jumbled up but I hope you can make it out:

Fastest laps
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Cla N? Driver Car / Engine Time Delay km/h
1 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1'23.516 0.000 188.845
2 4 Pedro de la Rosa McLaren/Mercedes 1'24.315 0.799 187.055
3 11 R.Barrichello Honda 1'24.678 1.162 186.253
4 12 Jenson Button Honda 1'25.143 1.627 185.236
5 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1'25.247 1.731 185.010
6 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1'25.779 2.263 183.863
7 16 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber/BMW 1'25.801 2.285 183.816
8 19 Christijan Albers Midland/Toyota 1'26.117 2.601 183.141
9 21 Scott Speed Toro Rosso/Cosworth 1'26.249 2.733 182.861
10 14 David Coulthard Red Bull/Ferrari 1'27.572 4.056 180.098
11 5 M.Schumacher Ferrari 1'27.834 4.318 179.561
12 18 Tiago Monteiro Midland/Toyota 1'28.178 4.662 178.860
13 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1'29.408 5.892 176.400
14 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri/Honda 1'30.957 7.441 173.396
15 3 Kimi R?ikk?nen McLaren/Mercedes 1'33.690 10.174 168.338
16 2 G.Fisichella Renault 1'35.550 12.034 165.061
17 15 Christian Klien Red Bull/Ferrari 1'38.702 15.186 159.790
18 20 V.Liuzzi Toro Rosso/Cosworth 1'38.858 15.342 159.537
19 10 Nico Rosberg Williams/Cosworth 1'38.964 15.448 159.367
0 17 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber/BMW 1'28.154 4.638 178.909

[Julian Mayo]

Huh ? I said he deserved the penalty. He didn't jump up and down and complain. He accepted and got on with it.

so you know what went on in his trailer ?????



You are just looking for an argument. You are assuming things!!



Thrashed for what ? If they accept it then fine but if they go blaming others then maybe

JayVee,dont say things for what u dont know..chk my race post & then reply.

Do u read my post on tactical???Oh forget it...


everyone who watches Formula 1 said so.

Everyone.......I don't think so

In years to come his performance here will be remembered just like those many great performances in the wet from the great Senna


Now you are just sht stirring

Your rainmeister was lapped, go watch the old tapes and live in his glory if you want. For now it is Alonso


Tis a long way to fall[/i]

[Amjad]

PEACE gays, it just discussion forum, not war field even I like this staff of discussion but this time it seem more personal.

Any way
Alonso make mistake and penalized and it seems harsh and put the Steward in bad image as they try to give championship to MS, so MS help them to find solution by his mistake, so every one tie.

In the race both MS and Alonso prove that they are champion class by moving to top 5 within 3 laps (even I surprised by Alonso performance which I don't expected) but after that we see that Michelin have clear advantage over Bridgestone (about 3 sec per lap)
But when surface start to dry we see Alonso start to struggle and button start to close in him and Ferrari & Toyota start to deliver competitive and faster time. Then safety car came, where most Bridgestone shoed drivers were lapped except MS who was 7 sec a way from button at one point then he make his strategic error by not changing his tires
I surprised by Renault post race press release and Alonso comment that they are back and they are have pest package and they are confidant for next races, what I see is a rain race where every thing messed up, Alonso have outstanding package in very wet (not extreme wet) conditions where he gain 1.5 second per lap but at semi wet and dry condition he lost 1 second per lap. So we do not see the true pace of any team.
What if Bridgestone team not lapped at safety car could we see other result. We never know.

[Julian Mayo]

It's a tad jumbled up but I hope you can make it out:

Fastest laps
-------------
Cla N? Driver Car / Engine Time Delay km/h
1 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1'23.516 0.000 188.845
2 4 Pedro de la Rosa McLaren/Mercedes 1'24.315 0.799 187.055
3 11 R.Barrichello Honda 1'24.678 1.162 186.253
4 12 Jenson Button Honda 1'25.143 1.627 185.236
5 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1'25.247 1.731 185.010
6 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1'25.779 2.263 183.863
7 16 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber/BMW 1'25.801 2.285 183.816
8 19 Christijan Albers Midland/Toyota 1'26.117 2.601 183.141
9 21 Scott Speed Toro Rosso/Cosworth 1'26.249 2.733 182.861
10 14 David Coulthard Red Bull/Ferrari 1'27.572 4.056 180.098
11 5 M.Schumacher Ferrari 1'27.834 4.318 179.561
12 18 Tiago Monteiro Midland/Toyota 1'28.178 4.662 178.860
13 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1'29.408 5.892 176.400
14 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri/Honda 1'30.957 7.441 173.396
15 3 Kimi R?ikk?nen McLaren/Mercedes 1'33.690 10.174 168.338
16 2 G.Fisichella Renault 1'35.550 12.034 165.061
17 15 Christian Klien Red Bull/Ferrari 1'38.702 15.186 159.790
18 20 V.Liuzzi Toro Rosso/Cosworth 1'38.858 15.342 159.537
19 10 Nico Rosberg Williams/Cosworth 1'38.964 15.448 159.367
0 17 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber/BMW 1'28.154 4.638 178.909

thanks GK

[Julian Mayo]

PEACE gays, it just discussion forum, not war field even I like this staff of discussion but this time it seem more personal.

Any way
Alonso make mistake and penalized and it seems harsh and put the Steward in bad image as they try to give championship to MS, so MS help them to find solution by his mistake, so every one tie.

In the race both MS and Alonso prove that they are champion class by moving to top 5 within 3 laps (even I surprised by Alonso performance which I don't expected) but after that we see that Michelin have clear advantage over Bridgestone (about 3 sec per lap)
But when surface start to dry we see Alonso start to struggle and button start to close in him and Ferrari & Toyota start to deliver competitive and faster time. Then safety car came, where most Bridgestone shoed drivers were lapped except MS who was 7 sec a way from button at one point then he make his strategic error by not changing his tires
I surprised by Renault post race press release and Alonso comment that they are back and they are have pest package and they are confidant for next races, what I see is a rain race where every thing messed up, Alonso have outstanding package in very wet (not extreme wet) conditions where he gain 1.5 second per lap but at semi wet and dry condition he lost 1 second per lap. So we do not see the true pace of any team.
What if Bridgestone team not lapped at safety car could we see other result. We never know.

[gkaytaz]

You're welcome.

[Julian Mayo]

You're welcome.

Where the hell is revelstone?
3 stubbies of Wild Turkey past the Ladies Lounge?