The 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix

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Driver of the day ?

Jenson Button
12
63%
Pedro de la Rosa
4
21%
Nick Heidfeld
0
No votes
Rubens Barrichello
0
No votes
David Coulthard
0
No votes
David Coulthard
0
No votes
Ralf Schumacher
1
5%
Robert Kubica
1
5%
Felipe Massa
1
5%
 
Total votes: 19

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Post by Julian Mayo » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:27 pm

Redhead wrote:
JayVee wrote:Ignoring shows weakeness
Have to disagree with you there JayVee, it takes all the strength I have to ignore most of your posts.

Sweet FA's drive was good but it will not go down in history, look at the lap times. Laps 1-17 sweet FA, Kimi and button were all running about the same pace, Lap 18 Kimi and Button pitted, sweet FA didnt, this is the main reason he was so far ahead. He built on it by lapping significantly faster for the next few laps until Kimi couldnt decide which way to look, but after the safety car period Button was going faster than sweet FA until the wheels came off.
JayVee wrote:He got penalised, end of story.
Jerez 97? Monaco 06?

So Schumi is a loser because he struggled during the race. You have obviously forgotten Hungaroring 2005 when sweet FA was LAPPED! Does that make him a loser in his WDC year? The winner of that race was driving a Mclaren, was probably about then FA got on the phone to Ron, and was clever enough to not do so on a phone Flavio had provided.

This is fun.
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Post by Julian Mayo » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:29 pm

Redhead wrote:
Kapel wrote:RedHead,rules for cute are different,u should know by now.
Cheers Kaps, I should know better shouldnt I :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

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nope , hasnt worked.

Kapel wrote:I shall wait to see if these rules apply to all drivers!!! :lol:
At least there will be a plentiful supply of ice cubes around as hell freezes over
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Post by gkaytaz » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:09 am

After all said and done look how much that normally oh-so-lame Hungarian Grand Prix made us talk about itself... I'd rather have a race with some controversy every once in a while instead of watching Schumi or Alonso cruise to victory in a boring event.
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Post by Julian Mayo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:00 am

gkaytaz wrote:After all said and done look how much that normally oh-so-lame Hungarian Grand Prix made us talk about itself... I'd rather have a race with some controversy every once in a while instead of watching Schumi or Alonso cruise to victory in a boring event.
makes one thankful for the fish :cry:
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Post by rah » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:15 am

gkaytaz wrote:It's a tad jumbled up but I hope you can make it out:

Fastest laps
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Cla N? Driver Car / Engine Time Delay km/h
1 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1'23.516 0.000 188.845
2 4 Pedro de la Rosa McLaren/Mercedes 1'24.315 0.799 187.055
3 11 R.Barrichello Honda 1'24.678 1.162 186.253
4 12 Jenson Button Honda 1'25.143 1.627 185.236
5 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1'25.247 1.731 185.010
6 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1'25.779 2.263 183.863
7 16 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber/BMW 1'25.801 2.285 183.816
8 19 Christijan Albers Midland/Toyota 1'26.117 2.601 183.141
9 21 Scott Speed Toro Rosso/Cosworth 1'26.249 2.733 182.861
10 14 David Coulthard Red Bull/Ferrari 1'27.572 4.056 180.098
11 5 M.Schumacher Ferrari 1'27.834 4.318 179.561
12 18 Tiago Monteiro Midland/Toyota 1'28.178 4.662 178.860
13 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1'29.408 5.892 176.400
14 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri/Honda 1'30.957 7.441 173.396
15 3 Kimi R?ikk?nen McLaren/Mercedes 1'33.690 10.174 168.338
16 2 G.Fisichella Renault 1'35.550 12.034 165.061
17 15 Christian Klien Red Bull/Ferrari 1'38.702 15.186 159.790
18 20 V.Liuzzi Toro Rosso/Cosworth 1'38.858 15.342 159.537
19 10 Nico Rosberg Williams/Cosworth 1'38.964 15.448 159.367
0 17 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber/BMW 1'28.154 4.638 178.909
Thank god you have set me straight. I thought the world would implode if an MF1 was showing speed.
Ok, Lewis may win the WDC in 07, but Sato will beat him in 08.

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Post by JayVee » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:56 am

Redhead wrote:
JayVee wrote:Ignoring shows weakeness
Have to disagree with you there JayVee, it takes all the strength I have to ignore most of your posts.
If you really beleive that, it's fine!
Redhead wrote:Sweet FA's drive was good but it will not go down in history, look at the lap times. Laps 1-17 sweet FA, Kimi and button were all running about the same pace, Lap 18 Kimi and Button pitted, sweet FA didnt, this is the main reason he was so far ahead. He built on it by lapping significantly faster for the next few laps until Kimi couldnt decide which way to look, but after the safety car period Button was going faster than sweet FA until the wheels came off.
Again it is you opinion, I think he performance was mega and will go down in history but neither can prove it. Only time will!
Redhead wrote:
JayVee wrote:He got penalised, end of story.
Jerez 97? Monaco 06?
Are you serious ? A brake test incident that occurs numerous times a year is compared to dirty tricks aimed at hampering others or winning a championship by any mean.

It seems that since you accept what your driver does and consider it normal, you are desparate to find any mistake by any other driver so you can say, see he did it as well. The tricks and favours your driver does and gets isn't normal and no other driver even comes close to that loser.
Get real Redhead and promote fair play.
Redhead wrote:So Schumi is a loser because he struggled during the race. You have obviously forgotten Hungaroring 2005 when sweet FA was LAPPED! Does that make him a loser in his WDC year? The winner of that race was driving a Mclaren, was probably about then FA got on the phone to Ron, and was clever enough to not do so on a phone Flavio had provided.

This is fun.
You either didn't read an earlier post on this or you chose to ignore it. I am not calling your driver a loser because he got lapped. I am calling him a loser because he doesn't accept responsibility for a mistake. When he got the penalty he tried to imply that it was Alonso's fault.
In the past whenever he is caught the first thing he does is deny, hence loser.

Yes Alonso was lapped and we all know the circumstances then, and your driver was lapped there in 2003 but being lapped doesn't make one a loser
I'm back and yes supporting Alonso "The Cute" in the Ferrari!

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Post by JayVee » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:02 am

Kapel wrote:RedHead,rules for cute are different,u should know by now.
If he gets penalised,we should forget what he did,ok!!

I shall wait to see if these rules apply to all drivers!!! :lol:
Ha ha Kapel,

I think I replied to a similar post from you and now you try and bring it up again.

And just to clarify, never did I say what he did was right and I said he deserved a penalty. It is the first penalty he gets, when and if he repeats it then I'll have something to say.

But again you seem desparate to find anything on any driver to legitamize your driver's checkered history.
You should be promoting fair play but it seems you can't
I'm back and yes supporting Alonso "The Cute" in the Ferrari!

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Post by JayVee » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:07 am

Julian Mayo wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:
Where the hell is revelstone?
3 stubbies of Wild Turkey past the Ladies Lounge? :shock:
:lol: Nope. It's a location from Stephen R Donaldson's "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant: the Unbeliever" series (double trilogy, 3rd one on the way). Recommended reading if you happen to like JRR Tolkien, Frank Herbert or Tad Williams style novels.
Like all of the above, read all of JRR when I was eighteen.
I expect to resume reading when
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B/ when I am a single parent to 3 grown children
C/ when I am in jail for murdering three kids.
What is this ? This is about F1 ???

I strongly object to mentioning my sign in name this way. To me it isn't funny and I request that you and anyone else stop this silly marriage thing. You know very well Julian that I don't engage in such discussions. It isn't acceptable to me.
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Post by Kapel » Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:38 pm

JayVee wrote: You should be promoting fair play but it seems you can't
If u say i cant,i would like to say,that u should not even talk about it :twisted:
An F1 Idiot!!!

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Post by gkaytaz » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:49 pm

rah wrote:
gkaytaz wrote:It's a tad jumbled up but I hope you can make it out:

Fastest laps
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Cla N? Driver Car / Engine Time Delay km/h
1 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1'23.516 0.000 188.845
2 4 Pedro de la Rosa McLaren/Mercedes 1'24.315 0.799 187.055
3 11 R.Barrichello Honda 1'24.678 1.162 186.253
4 12 Jenson Button Honda 1'25.143 1.627 185.236
5 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1'25.247 1.731 185.010
6 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1'25.779 2.263 183.863
7 16 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber/BMW 1'25.801 2.285 183.816
8 19 Christijan Albers Midland/Toyota 1'26.117 2.601 183.141
9 21 Scott Speed Toro Rosso/Cosworth 1'26.249 2.733 182.861
10 14 David Coulthard Red Bull/Ferrari 1'27.572 4.056 180.098
11 5 M.Schumacher Ferrari 1'27.834 4.318 179.561
12 18 Tiago Monteiro Midland/Toyota 1'28.178 4.662 178.860
13 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1'29.408 5.892 176.400
14 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri/Honda 1'30.957 7.441 173.396
15 3 Kimi R?ikk?nen McLaren/Mercedes 1'33.690 10.174 168.338
16 2 G.Fisichella Renault 1'35.550 12.034 165.061
17 15 Christian Klien Red Bull/Ferrari 1'38.702 15.186 159.790
18 20 V.Liuzzi Toro Rosso/Cosworth 1'38.858 15.342 159.537
19 10 Nico Rosberg Williams/Cosworth 1'38.964 15.448 159.367
0 17 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber/BMW 1'28.154 4.638 178.909
Thank god you have set me straight. I thought the world would implode if an MF1 was showing speed.
:D Last I checked the world was still standing. Nevertheless, the numbers are quite interesting. MF1 does show some speed. Look at Button and Heidfeld's best times (them being #1 and #3)... Not even one whole second better than Albers'. Remember that all three were driving on mostly dry pavement toward the end of the race (Heidfeld was pushing it, as Barrichello was practically his shadow.) That roughly translates to the cars (Honda, BMW and MF1/Toyota) being quite close in terms of technical capability. Scott Speed was not far behind either. Driver consistency seems to be the issue here. Then again it must be a helluva lot easier to be consistent in a Renault or Ferrari.
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Post by Redhead » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:39 pm

JayVee wrote:
Redhead wrote:
JayVee wrote:Ignoring shows weakeness
Have to disagree with you there JayVee, it takes all the strength I have to ignore most of your posts.
If you really beleive that, it's fine!
If I didnt beleive it why would I post it? :shock:
JayVee wrote:
Redhead wrote:Sweet FA's drive was good but it will not go down in history, look at the lap times. Laps 1-17 sweet FA, Kimi and button were all running about the same pace, Lap 18 Kimi and Button pitted, sweet FA didnt, this is the main reason he was so far ahead. He built on it by lapping significantly faster for the next few laps until Kimi couldnt decide which way to look, but after the safety car period Button was going faster than sweet FA until the wheels came off.
Again it is you opinion, I think he performance was mega and will go down in history but neither can prove it. Only time will!
Actually I can prove it, in each of the first 17 laps before Kimi and Button pitted, Button was fastest 5 times, sweet FA was fastest 5 times and Kimi was fastest 7 times. After they pitted sweet FA was fastest for 6 laps until Kimi crashed. After the safety car, for the 21 laps until sweet FA went out button was fastest 15 times and sweet FA was fastest 6 times. These are facts not opinions and sweet FA does not stand out amongst them.

After the first lap sweet FA made up 9 positions, Shumi made up 7, is two places the difference between regenmeister and has-been?

The 30 second lead you trumpet was only due to the fact that Kimi and Button had pitted, if sweet FA hadnt been penalised and filled his tank up he would probably have been on a very similar strategy to the other two which would have resulted in him still being behind after the first round of stops.
JayVee wrote:
Redhead wrote:
JayVee wrote:He got penalised, end of story.
Jerez 97? Monaco 06?
Are you serious ? A brake test incident that occurs numerous times a year is compared to dirty tricks aimed at hampering others or winning a championship by any mean.

It seems that since you accept what your driver does and consider it normal, you are desparate to find any mistake by any other driver so you can say, see he did it as well. The tricks and favours your driver does and gets isn't normal and no other driver even comes close to that loser.
Get real Redhead and promote fair play..
Again here's a fact, it was more than just a brake test, as he went past DB on the pit straight he swerved in front of him. This probably occured at somewhere between 200 and 300 kmh. Not only is it a stupid thing to do you have to ask yourself why did he do it.

My point is simply that you expect us to accept that, "He got penalised, end of story." in this case, but in cases where MS has been penalised, as far as you are concerend it most definitely isnt the end of the story. Yes, the two cases I quoted were more serious transgressions, but so were the penalties applied in each case. The same system was operating in all these cases. Feel free to trot out the conspriacy theories here, but if I recall you were criticising someone else for trotting out conspiracy theories earlier.
JayVee wrote:
Redhead wrote:So Schumi is a loser because he struggled during the race. You have obviously forgotten Hungaroring 2005 when sweet FA was LAPPED! Does that make him a loser in his WDC year? The winner of that race was driving a Mclaren, was probably about then FA got on the phone to Ron, and was clever enough to not do so on a phone Flavio had provided.

This is fun.
You either didn't read an earlier post on this or you chose to ignore it. I am not calling your driver a loser because he got lapped. I am calling him a loser because he doesn't accept responsibility for a mistake. When he got the penalty he tried to imply that it was Alonso's fault.
In the past whenever he is caught the first thing he does is deny, hence loser.

Yes Alonso was lapped and we all know the circumstances then, and your driver was lapped there in 2003 but being lapped doesn't make one a loser
You got me there, I did misread your post. You also called him a loser because he got angry with DC in the pits. Sweet FA gets angry at 250 kmh and he doesn't get called a loser, Schumi gets angry at 0kmh and does. Go figure.
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Post by gkaytaz » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:01 pm

Redhead wrote:Actually I can prove it, in each of the first 17 laps before Kimi and Button pitted, Button was fastest 5 times, sweet FA was fastest 5 times and Kimi was fastest 7 times. After they pitted sweet FA was fastest for 6 laps until Kimi crashed. After the safety car, for the 21 laps until sweet FA went out button was fastest 15 times and sweet FA was fastest 6 times. These are facts not opinions and sweet FA does not stand out amongst them.

After the first lap sweet FA made up 9 positions, Shumi made up 7, is two places the difference between regenmeister and has-been?

The 30 second lead you trumpet was only due to the fact that Kimi and Button had pitted, if sweet FA hadnt been penalised and filled his tank up he would probably have been on a very similar strategy to the other two which would have resulted in him still being behind after the first round of stops.
Here's the lap chart of the Hungarian GP (from paddocktalk.com)

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Post by F1greyhound » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:15 pm

JAYVEE, what age are you? :D
YOURS IN SPORT

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Post by gkaytaz » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:18 pm

I just realized that the image I linked to is 116 KB. It is a little above the permissible limit set in the posting guidelines. If you are experiencing slow download times please let me know and I will try to shrink it.

Sorry about that.

Here's the link to the page in case the editor decides to remove the picture:
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Post by Julian Mayo » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:54 am

gkaytaz wrote:
Redhead wrote:Actually I can prove it, in each of the first 17 laps before Kimi and Button pitted, Button was fastest 5 times, sweet FA was fastest 5 times and Kimi was fastest 7 times. After they pitted sweet FA was fastest for 6 laps until Kimi crashed. After the safety car, for the 21 laps until sweet FA went out button was fastest 15 times and sweet FA was fastest 6 times. These are facts not opinions and sweet FA does not stand out amongst them.

After the first lap sweet FA made up 9 positions, Shumi made up 7, is two places the difference between regenmeister and has-been?

The 30 second lead you trumpet was only due to the fact that Kimi and Button had pitted, if sweet FA hadnt been penalised and filled his tank up he would probably have been on a very similar strategy to the other two which would have resulted in him still being behind after the first round of stops.
Here's the lap chart of the Hungarian GP (from paddocktalk.com)

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