Bundy, how many times do I have to say that I do like Webber but I just don't see him as Championship material at this stage and given his age and the teams he is driving for it is unlikely that he will. Sure I am allowed to say that in this Webber loyalist forumBundy wrote:Q. How many years has Button been with a top team?JayVee wrote:Not too sure about that, of all the "good" drivers in Formula 1 I think only Button and Webber have not won a race yet!
I think we agree that the longer it takes for a driver to win in Formula 1 the less chance they have to become Champion. I'd say Button is about there while Webber isn't too far.
A. 6 years - Williams 2000, Benetton/Renault 2001 & 2002, BAR 2003-2005
Q. How many years has Webber been with a top team?
A. 1 year - Williams 2004
JV, i think you are clutching at straws saying Mark's not far behind Button!!!
You obviously don't like MW and that is fine with me. I'm not a big fan of Alonso (I rate his driving just not him). For me, I like Kimi & Mark's attitude of pushing the car to its absolute limit for an entire race rather than protecting a series lead. Its the same reason I was such a huge fan of Senna's.
I will however happily admit Mark has made some errors this year. Some I put down to a lack of experience driving at the front, others to him trying too hard. None the less they are all HIS errors. He has also had a sh*tload of bad luck and some of that would more than likely have been avoided if he had had more experience driving at the front.
One last thing, comparing the 2004 Williams to the 2005 Williams is like comparing a VL Holden Commodore to a Series II VZ Commodore. Sure they have the same name but I doubt you would find any other similarity.
As for your stats well:
The Renault was even slower than the Minardi in 2001 and you count that as a top team ? BAR ? It was only last year that BAR really started to look strong but if you want to count that is fine!
Not sure what you mean by clutching at straws? I don't need to prove anything, it was Julian who suggested Button is getting close to 100 GP's (and I checked and China will be his 100th
) and when I say Webber isn't far behind, he isn't in terms of races without wins and I checked that too, 67 so he isn't far behind.As for last year's Williams, one would think that the newer car would be better but yes that isn't always the case but I'd be worried if I were Webber as Williams have been stuffing up for far too long, they may never make it back up to the top. Harsh I know.
I am a huge fan of Senna too and I think we are witnessing another great now
One who doesn't need to knock people off to win titles and doesn't need number 1 status in his team.
), Webber did a really good job in Japan getting ahead of Button (at Honda's home race). Coulthard did well too 
