Ferrari is cheating!! (again!) - Opinion

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:48 pm

julian mayo wrote:For Ferrari, It may be one race too close, KD

Not sure what you mean.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:04 am

I am cocerned that it will take at least 2 or three races before MS is able to show us how good he really is , and vanquish doubtors such as myself once and for all. I am astonished that ferrari has built a fragile 2005. Mind you, I once owned a 250lm. The local ferrari guy now owns most of the Costa Del Sol, and I get up at 3am. KD, we have had a lot of fun n wind ups, and you have stood up for Ferrari single handedly on many occasions., now I am serious. F! needs Ferrari now. If Ferrari can ccompete, great, I love the Red cars. My worry is that if the Fiat Bosses keep saying "get stuffed" to the other manufacturers we will possibly have a major fracture in 2008. Ufortunately the mongrels put $ before fans, and , for me, F1 without the prancing stallion simply would not be the same. Enough of that.
I think it is going to take Imola and 1 more before Scuderia are back on track. I appreciate that they have buuilt a car which ? will do well, very well, ? perhaps on the Euro circuits, were scared enough by Alonso/Renault getting too far ahead and had to take a gamble on Bahrain, and they had nothing to lose.
Ferrari have some of the best, nay nearLy all of the best brains in the business ( come back Gascioyne, all is forgiven), and I for one will expect to see MS with the winners Garland 3-5 times at least

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:17 pm

Julian,

But i agree with you,we dont need another domination.European races will be different with the temperature difference and some odd rainy weekends which Ferrari will exploits especially with their melting tyres

Agreed the Fiat bossess need to settle down in terms of 2008,but i would put equal blame on the other bossess as well.Come on the table n sort it out once n for all.If they want equall money then get from Bernie,he has s#$% loads man.Breakaway series would harm us(fans) more than anyone.

Relaibility will be the key for Ferrari.Would love to see Michael back now and play the catch up game.Hope Kimi can join him there too.

3-way-championship will be good.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:47 pm

A four way battle would be even better

go webber, go

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:12 pm

Willaims need to get their act together and Webber cant do any more mistakes .Otherwise ,sorry Julian

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:23 pm

I think Williams will get their act together or risk losing BMW power!!
Having experienced rib and rib cartilege damage I don't believe Mark would have been 100% in Bahrain. I am not saying that as an excuse and he would be the last to do so, however any added discomfort in an F1 car must be one hell of a distraction, I.E> Button with an ill-fitting helmet last season.
Roll on Imola, and the rest of the season

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:28 pm

Hope Frank realises this or will surely lose BMW.

Lets see how the testing unfolds

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:36 pm

Well, Kapel,I'm sure the rumours circulating in the press reached Frank first!
He is a wily operator, and it would be unwise to underestimate him for as long as he wants to stay in F1

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:57 pm

julian mayo wrote:Ferrari have some of the best, nay nearLy all of the best brains in the business ( come back Gascioyne, all is forgiven), and I for one will expect to see MS with the winners Garland 3-5 times at least

Sorry julian but that isn't true at all,

in addition to Gascoyne, they don't have Rob White, Bob Bell, Pat Symonds, Alonso shall I keep going ?

The media kept brainwashing us making us fear Ferrari, they have the biggest budget, the best people, the most stability. Most those in F1 Racing basically wrote all the teams off this season and most believed them.

Well Renault have proved big budgets aren't everything. They have half Ferrari's and Toyota's budget.
The stabilty issue is good short term but long term it isn't. You need new talent, new thoughts. Yes they have been promoting internally but that isn't as good as getting fresh people from the outside. Brawn, Todt, Michael, .... they have been there for ages and after a while they can't come up with new ideas. Even pairing Michael and Barrichello, it is good to change that every few seasons, give your drivers different challengers

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:29 pm

julian mayo wrote:I am cocerned that it will take at least 2 or three races before MS is able to show us how good he really is , and vanquish doubtors such as myself once and for all. I am astonished that ferrari has built a fragile 2005. Mind you, I once owned a 250lm. The local ferrari guy now owns most of the Costa Del Sol, and I get up at 3am. KD, we have had a lot of fun n wind ups, and you have stood up for Ferrari single handedly on many occasions., now I am serious. F! needs Ferrari now. If Ferrari can ccompete, great, I love the Red cars. My worry is that if the Fiat Bosses keep saying "get stuffed" to the other manufacturers we will possibly have a major fracture in 2008. Ufortunately the mongrels put $ before fans, and , for me, F1 without the prancing stallion simply would not be the same. Enough of that.
I think it is going to take Imola and 1 more before Scuderia are back on track. I appreciate that they have buuilt a car which ? will do well, very well, ? perhaps on the Euro circuits, were scared enough by Alonso/Renault getting too far ahead and had to take a gamble on Bahrain, and they had nothing to lose.
Ferrari have some of the best, nay nearLy all of the best brains in the business ( come back Gascioyne, all is forgiven), and I for one will expect to see MS with the winners Garland 3-5 times at least

F1 needs a full grid, the current 20 cars is not enough. In addition F1 needs diversity in winners both between drivers, teams and manufacturers. However the setup under which f1 is fought out does not make it possible to agree on this.

A list (litany??) of problems:

1) No overtaking
2) To few winners
3) One team dominates

Ad. 1) ? The aerodynamic grip of the cars are close to insane, and the ?dirty? air behind the cars mean that a substancially faster car can not overtake. In addition the carbon brakes, have the cars stopping in breaking distances which defy logic ? go to see a race live, and the first time they power past you think that they will obviously crash and never make the turn.

A fairly easy way to change this is to reduce aero-grip substancially. Look at the cars and they have sprouted winglets all over the car. Ban all of them, give the teams two wings. One in front and one at the rear, with a fixed area in ?x? number of square centimetres. Then let them make which ever type of wing they want, as many tiers as they want, but they can not exceed the total area. All other wings are gone (note to rule makers, kindly formulate in clear and uncertain terms what a wing, winglet and aerodynamic devise is). Whatever decrease in aero-grip that is agreed as the preferable will deem the allowed total size of the wings. If the designers claw back to much, the aere is reduced.

Ban carbon brakes. They have no business in the world outside Autoracing, and regardless of often stated claims that there is no difference between them and steel brakes, no team has run a race with steel-brakes for +15 years.

The reduced aero, and poorer brakes will make for longer braking distances making for more overtaking.

Water and sweep the track every morning before a practise and race. A ?fleet? of sweepers can clean the track in at most a couple of hours. The intention to make the track as green as possible, and remove all the leftover marbles, so it is no longer only possible to can go really fast on the racing line.

Ban pitstops!!! ? You start and finish the race with all the fuel and tires needed. This will also induce more overtaking.

I understand that Ferrari is standing alone against the other 9 teams, but I do not agree that then make them the ones standing against progress. You can make the same argument about the group of nine, who have on occasion not invited Ferrari, and on occasion not shown at meetings called by the international federation.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:33 pm

Totally agree with u Graham.Promoting people within the team wouldnt bring new n fresh ideas,but i think they didnt have to look outside cos they were successful over the past years.Y change it if aint broken types.
But i think now they will surely look for a change,heads might roll if they finish as badly as Mclaren did last year.

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:49 pm

Kapel wrote:Totally agree with u Graham.Promoting people within the team wouldnt bring new n fresh ideas,but i think they didnt have to look outside cos they were successful over the past years.Y change it if aint broken types.
But i think now they will surely look for a change,heads might roll if they finish as badly as Mclaren did last year.

But they are rolling themselves out by end 2006, perhaps they'll bring that forward a bit (just like the F2005)

No more Ferrari at the top man rifinito

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:14 pm

Mayb, Mayb not.If they dont win by Monaco,then yes.Ferrari is down n out

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:16 pm

I reckon if they dont win at Imola they are gooorrn!!!

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:25 pm

I'm 110% confident they are (what was that Italian word again ..... yes rifinito already)

I am starting to sound like Da Style